Politics!

[Diode]

(in which a logical person refuses to engage a moron and the moron declares victory)

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Diode

AND A MOTHERFUCKING QUAD-POST TO POINT OUT KNUCK'S ARGUMENT IS BASICALLY "DIODE IS MEAN TO ME, SO HE'S A FRAUD, BUT YOU'RE NICE OATY, SO RESPEKK KNUCKLES"

grow up.

He wants to share his views without doing shit like this, so yeah it's more approachable. Your wife must love when you're gone on business.

Originally Posted by Diode

no, shitbird, the tenure track to professorship in the united states is comoletely fucked and untenable if you want to live in something other than a shoebox for the next 30 years. i sought to find financial security before returning back to academia.

ask stupid questions, win stupid prizes.

Before I respond to this, what is your political alignment? Who are you supporting in this race and why?

[Sharp]

I mean like your underlying reasoning

I totally agree that this online argument won't get shit done but I'm still tryna figure out what exactly you believe and why in a non-judgmental way

As of now I'm seeing Libertarian and apparently not socialist? But calling socialism fairy tales doesn't really do much for a discussion bro

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by boof

Like I said he's only down 200 with 1000 still up for grabs. What he's doing is pushing hillary more to the left, not because him winning is impossible, but more so because as a Democrat, she was very centered if not right leaning in the beginning of her campaign, and he's genuinely all about progress by any means

Everyday a new super delegate says they will switch to Bernie at the convention.

And she has less than 1700 pledged delegates, so she still needs 600+

A bunch of fb trolls posted child pornography to 8 of the biggest sanders support groups, then reported it, and got the entire groups removed, the day before the most recent super Tuesday. Reportedly hillarys camp payed out $1 million total for them to do this

Oh word to the fb thing. Its shady but i doubt theyll prove anything. Same with all the other shit. I mean george bush stole the actual election in florida, not just a party nominee, so thinking theyll pin her for any of that is nonsense. Sad to say but true. I mean she is literally red handed admittedly guilty of a felony and no one cares as is.

Everything im reading says she has 2200 delegates and bernie has 1400 also

[CBA]

Originally Posted by boof

what the fuck are you guys talking about

hillary can't win the nomination unless she wins 80% of the rest of the votes, which is impossible since cali is split right now

it's going to be a contested convention in philly, that's basically a guarentee at this point, and if bernie wins as big in cali as momentum seems to show, he might go in neck and neck with pledged delegates

hillary is being exposed for a multitude of illegal action more and more each day, and can literally be indicted by the fbi at any turn, the only thing keeping her in this position of seeming to have the nomination locked up is the constant biased, paid for coverage all over television

still, after
-admitted fraud in arizona,
-the debacle in new york,
-registration purges,
-countless reports of disenfranchisement,
-illegal actions at polling places in philadelphia,
-bought out superdelegates,
-false reports of bernie dropping out through mail & phone banking
-hillary funneling campaign money through state parties to exceed the allowed amount of contributions x130
-not to mention the ridiculous facebook group child pornography shit

he's still only down by 200 delegates, and has been closing the gap since early March

plus, cruz just dropped out which helps sanders even more


so....

we're fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS-K7OuLAc

[boof]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

Oh word to the fb thing. Its shady but i doubt theyll prove anything. Same with all the other shit. I mean george bush stole the actual election in florida, not just a party nominee, so thinking theyll pin her for any of that is nonsense. Sad to say but true. I mean she is literally red handed admittedly guilty of a felony and no one cares as is.

Everything im reading says she has 2200 delegates and bernie has 1400 also

Super delegates don't vote until July

[veritas]

The ego is strong itt.

Anyone who can't see that modern American politics is a work is a fool.

Bring on ww3.

[CBA]

Originally Posted by boof

Super delegates don't vote until July

They've already overwhelming pledged their votes to Hillary though and when you factor in their support, Hillary is demolishing Sanders. Of course they can change their vote but there is absolutely no reason to expect them to, considering Hillary is already in the lead with regular delegates. Bear in mind that this is the exact same strategy Obama used to defeat Hillary 8 years ago, I hate being the bringer of bad news but Sanders is already done and this is why the media (even liberal media) reports it this way.

At this point Sanders staying in the race does nothing but help Trump. Besides the obvious way, in that Sanders is attacking Hillary, but isn't going to win the nomination, the idea is that Hillary has to "go more left" for the Sanders voters - who are going to vote for Hillary already. If she actually goes more left, she risks losing voters that are in the middle. And considering she is saying things like she wants a cabinet that's at least 50% female now, Sanders has the potential to do a lot of damage here.

[boof]

Originally Posted by CBA

They've already overwhelming pledged their votes to Hillary though and when you factor in their support, Hillary is demolishing Sanders. Of course they can change their vote but there is absolutely no reason to expect them to, considering Hillary is already in the lead with regular delegates. Bear in mind that this is the exact same strategy Obama used to defeat Hillary 8 years ago, I hate being the bringer of bad news but Sanders is already done and this is why the media (even liberal media) reports it this way.

At this point Sanders staying in the race does nothing but help Trump. Besides the obvious way, in that Sanders is attacking Hillary, but isn't going to win the nomination, the idea is that Hillary has to "go more left" for the Sanders voters - who are going to vote for Hillary already. If she actually goes more left, she risks losing voters that are in the middle. And considering she is saying things like she wants a cabinet that's at least 50% female now, Sanders has the potential to do a lot of damage here.

? i'm not sure what your point is, as you said, they switched to obama in july as well, and bernie is ahead of the pace obama was as far as pledged delegates, and states won. so them switching is still very possible. i really could care less what the media has to say, liberal or not, the majority of reports haven't been trustworthy at any point in this race, and mostly patronizing towards the entire sanders following.

sanders supporters aren't going to vote for hillary, and if he doesn't win the nomination, with the understanding that he has had 65-70% of the independent vote, which is 48% of eligible voters in america, and he has won every open primary, there's no reason to not write him in in november as well.

[CBA]

Originally Posted by boof

? i'm not sure what your point is, as you said, they switched to obama in july as well, and bernie is ahead of the pace obama was as far as pledged delegates, and states won. so them switching is still very possible. i really could care less what the media has to say, liberal or not, the majority of reports haven't been trustworthy at any point in this race, and mostly patronizing towards the entire sanders following.

sanders supporters aren't going to vote for hillary, and if he doesn't win the nomination, with the understanding that he has had 65-70% of the independent vote, which is 48% of eligible voters in america, and he has won every open primary, there's no reason to not write him in in november as well.

Again, the chances of super delegates switching to the Bern are unlikely. Besides winning with the count of regular delegates and already pledging they will vote for her, the odds of them going from Hillary, a life long member of the democrat party, to Bernie, a life long independent who just recently started running under their name, is highly unlikely. I guess anything is possible, but Sanders would have better luck hoping she gets indicted for that e-mail scandal.

[Certain]

Originally Posted by boof

And what about the 10 million democratic voters ready to join a 3rd party if bernie loses because of the awful job the dnc has done in maintaining an equal opportunity primary?

Most of them aren't actually voters.

Any divide or shift in the parties has to come from the top, not the people. We've seen this through 230 years of this two-party system.

[veritas]

dear socialists: who is going to pay for it?

[boof]

Originally Posted by Certain

Most of them aren't actually voters.

Any divide or shift in the parties has to come from the top, not the people. We've seen this through 230 years of this two-party system.

that number was me estimating the final tally of votes he receives, he's at 8something now

but word
@veritas pay for what?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by boof

that number was me estimating the final tally of votes he receives, he's at 8something now

but word
@veritas pay for what?

Free schooling, Free healthcare, free anything that the socialists promise, Boof

[boof]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...his-proposals/

[veritas]

Well....that looks good on paper. In response to hurting the rich and corporate profits...how do you think they will respond?

[Certain]

Originally Posted by boof

that number was me estimating the final tally of votes he receives, he's at 8something now

but word
@veritas pay for what?

My point was that a huge chunk of Bernie Sanders' support has come from people who have not regularly voted in the past. The Barack Obama voting base heavily favors Hillary Clinton.

[boof]

@veritas if we're referring to the corporations already stashing all of their tax money abroad, we're obviously not going to lose money by enforcing stricter tax policies. they can either pack up and move their company to tax havens like puerto rico or ireland or wherever, like pfizer is doing, which means they'll no longer be robbing the middle class, or they can pay their fair share, and if the ladder rings true, then the people in charge of those companies can either cut jobs or cut their own ridiculous wages. now if this trend started by a handful of companies to lower ceo wages and raise bottom level employee wages continues, then things can move upwards. but if these tax dodgers all decide to leave then it's whatever. they're awful companies anyways, and we can continue to let renewable energy companies and the proposed infrastructure jobs replace any loss the economy or workforce takes.

[boof]

Originally Posted by Certain

My point was that a huge chunk of Bernie Sanders' support has come from people who have not regularly voted in the past. The Barack Obama voting base heavily favors Hillary Clinton.

you think the dnc is cool with losing millions of brand new democrats to a 3rd party that could legitimately disrupt their shot in the general election ?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by boof

@veritas if we're referring to the corporations already stashing all of their tax money abroad, we're obviously not going to lose money by enforcing stricter tax policies. they can either pack up and move their company to tax havens like puerto rico or ireland or wherever, like pfizer is doing, which means they'll no longer be robbing the middle class, or they can pay their fair share, and if the ladder rings true, then the people in charge of those companies can either cut jobs or cut their own ridiculous wages. now if this trend started by a handful of companies to lower ceo wages and raise bottom level employee wages continues, then things can move upwards. but if these tax dodgers all decide to leave then it's whatever. they're awful companies anyways, and we can continue to let renewable energy companies and the proposed infrastructure jobs replace any loss the economy or workforce takes.

so, like, you don't think they would just increase their prices to still make the same (or more!) profit?

Also...are we all equal?