who banned the goat?

[Diode]

Just to be devil's advocate here..

One could argue that juicing extends those limitations, allowing you to work that much harder, and that anything that allows you to reach your full potential is worth it.

Common pre-workouts include enough amphetamines to do just as much "cheating" of your natural ability to qualify against your moral outrage, to be perfectly honest. I have no cognitive dissonance in recognizing that the DMAA in my original Jack3d is giving me more endurance that I would have naturally.. hence why it is banned by any professional and most amateur sports organizations.

[PancakeBrah]

Originally Posted by Diode

Just to be devil's advocate here..

One could argue that juicing extends those limitations, allowing you to work that much harder, and that anything that allows you to reach your full potential is worth it.

Common pre-workouts include enough amphetamines to do just as much "cheating" of your natural ability to qualify against your moral outrage, to be perfectly honest. I have no cognitive dissonance in recognizing that the DMAA in my original Jack3d is giving me more endurance that I would have naturally.. hence why it is banned by any professional and most amateur sports organizations.

Fine, it extends those limitations.

How many juicers do you know used gear once they hit their genetic limitations, just to break through? It's beyond less than the majority.

Steroids are the 'Everyone Gets a Ribbon' for weightlifting.

I started off skinny fat as fuck, and worked naturally to get the decent to above average physique that I have now. Fuck a preworkout. Fuck a steroid. I've never done preworkout, tbh, but that was because I didn't think they were effective, not because of some moral code or anything.

But regardless, you're equivocating like a motherfucker. Those now banned pre-workouts aren't banned for the same reasons gear is, and you know that. Gear literally changes you on a genetic level. I can't reconcile that.

I look at weightlifting as the purest singular, isolated, test of myself that I do. It's all about me, what I can do and what I've improved on what I used to do. To take gear, in my opinion, is vanity. It's looking at my own progression and saying 'so and so looks more buff and pushes more weight than me' and then cheating to get to a level I could have earned.

[veritas]

Cake is right gear is bunk.