So... did jesus have to be circumcised?

Originally Posted by Figurative

Fuck a circumcision

Ant eater on deck

HAHAHAHA

[Coup]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

yo coup

you realize yashua was a semite right

not a black dude

but word to alot of that in the historical sense

alot of historians believe thutmose to be moses, im pretty sure its thutmose. i remember seeing something on that tho it was pretty dope.

i like looking into history, ancient history for the most part, so im ignorant to alot of what was written in the bible.

but honestly you can't take anything in the bible as close to fact

the romans kept excellent records of all trials and etc. no jesus was ever crucified according to roman records from the region and the time. no yashua or any of that. the old testament is jewish shit. and the new testament was written by dudes tripping on mushrooms in caves in like 30 AD or some shit. too many gospels didnt make the cut, and if its all the word of god, then why did man decide to cut and leave entire books out? espescially books like the GOSPEL OF JUDAS where jesus himself instructs judas to sell him out, even while judas was dead against it. jesus wanted to martyr himself for his cause. it'd be like a rapper having his friend hire a dude to kill him, so that his cd sales and name would get out there to help his family out with the money generated. he basically killed himself to get his ideas out there. according to a fictional book written by ancient men. also why do they leave lillith out of it? no not true blood lillith. adams first wife, lillith. adam used to plow her pussy out. she got mad, god made them both equal from the earth. she wanted to be on top when they fucked. (this is real shit, not made up, from the dead sea scrolls, gospels that were withheld from the bible, from the same authors and origins of all the accepted books) but anyways she wanted on top, but adam was like nah. im gonna eat figs and plow you. im a man. so lillith fled the garden, and turned into a demon basically shunning god. so god, seeing adam lonely, created EVE from his rib, so that adam was greater than her, she was lesser than him, and couldnt complain when he plowed her.

thats all real shit. left out of the bible.

meanwhile the people who got together in constantinople to decide what would make the cut, left out all that important shit, and instead threw in stories like a balding man, being made fun of by kids, like lol ur bald, look at this bald nigga. so the bald dude gets mad, prays to god, and 2 bears magically appear and MAUL 57 CHILDREN. that made the cut into the bible you quote lol


smh

Sup man...

What is a semite ? This is a term not found in scriptures and is a word the Gentile converts in the land today use...would like to see your understanding on this.

I'll use scripture to show you what color Messiah was.

We know the ancient Ysraleites were a nation called Israel, from the cut of Jacob. And this nation's ethnicity was Hebrew. Eber was the first Hebrew, the great grandson of Shem, one of the three sons of Noah coming of the arch to repopulate the world after the flood.

Noah had two other sons. Yahpet and Ham. Ham is recognized the world over as being a black skinned people. Not "arab" but black. Ham was Egypt, and the Canaanites etc... Japhet's children eventually make up the Isles of the Gentiles, in their lands, after their tongues after their families so called white people.

Hebrews all through out the scriptures were mistaken for Hamites (Egyptians). Moses, Joseph, Paul were all mistaken for being Egyptian, when in fact they were all the children of Jacob, or Israel.

Yahshua came from the loins of David, a ruddy man. Ruddy means like a reddish black person...King David was probably the greatest King of all Israel.

In fact, the sons of Japeht did not come on the scene until just before Messiah's time. The reason Jahphet (The European nations) are ruling the earth now is because YAH is allowing this to happen...Japhet is enlarged in Shem's tent (the fake jews in Israel today). So many words on this it's crystal clear.

All the nations in the scriptures were all so called black people, you know true Israel today as Niggers, black people, and other proverbs and bywords...as YAH brought his people VERY low insight of the nations as a witness against disobedience. He is coming for them again with his right hand of power, Yahshua. And all that call on his name in spirit and in truth.

Only one peoples on earth have been successfully enslaved collectively...and it's the so called African American scattered across the earth.

It's deep.

Let me know if you want to see lines and precepts to build this understanding out of the scriptures. I'm prepared to do it.



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I respect your current understanding of the scriptures man. I ain't gunna try to sway you one way or the other, but I encourage you to seek the issue out if that is what you will do or not...It would be pointless for me to say man you are wrong...but I am familiar with some of the points you bring up...but who cares.

[Coup]

Originally Posted by Rawn M.D.

@Coup I kno it's no diss tbh I kno the old far more than the new
I tagged u bc u have a thorough understanding
but although god is a constant the word choice in the two books depicts a contrasting view of God
put Into historical context it kinda makes sense too bc of in the old u have Egypt Babylon (more warring times) and sht like that while new is more the people r solidified as people n the schism is coming from within

Like old is more exodus to 12 tribes new is more sagisius n pharisis n ppl under them V jesus followers and then follow jesus thru gospels

I'm being brief Cuz of phone but in trying to speak from more secular n historic than @Coup

Rwan what is the "New Testament" ?

Recounts of jesus travels n teachings through gospels and a reintripitration on how to live life basically... Except revelations which is end times

but also what someone said earlier about mushroom tripping is kinda right n wrong I think it was john who had visions on horseback or something where he saw a great light or something ppl speculate he was an epileptic n that whole trance like state was him having a seizure... Like the aura before and after and all

but as a text I only read some of the new tbh so my understanding is Prolly flawed

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Whoa @ Gospel of Judas


I wanna read ths shit

[Coup]

Rawn I respect ya thoughts....I'mma not try to cram this down your throat but offer my thoughts and just talk...

Some general thoughts about the "NT"

by and large the entire book of Revelations found in the "NT" (written early 90AD) is already spelled out in the books of the "OT" through out the years...by Moses, and the Prophets.

Every word out of Paul's mouth (he wrote many letters in the "NT") can be looked up and found in relation to in the "OT"...he did not teach another Messiah or encourage rebellion against YAHUWAH or nail the law to the tree.(Mainline Christianity is founded on ignorance directly on Paul's letters)

Paul was a Hebrew of the tribe of Benjamin...and master in the law found in the Torah. He knew what he was talking about to the people he wrote to

The early "christains" were nothing like the pagan mainstream christians today. They followed the way and served YAHUWAH and obeyed his voice, keeping the laws and testomony alive...they were white Gentiles. The Isralites were scattered into captivity by this point in 70AD.

now tell me, you would have to have mad faith in the way to stand and get served in galtiator games to lions in front of thousands.

A unlearned person would not and could not do this...the law of YAH teaches you his way...Yahshua taught this word of YAH. He told people they have the books of Moese and the Prophets, and if they don't belive the books they don't belive him, because they wrote of him.

He also sinned not. Sin is transgression of any law or commandment of YAH, to include feast days...fore they are a symbol and foreshadow of the end time harvest..(his feast days are all agricultural for the most part) DEEP.

Jesus the false messiah of the christian temples today teaches open rebellion on the borad way to destruction...the narrow way is found in the law, which on it hangs love.

Every word out of Yahshua's mouth can be looked in and found in the Torah (first 5 books of Moses).

The 4 books, John, Matt, Luke, Mark (these are names Hellenized in Greek) are around as a witness of the messiah and record details important to establishing the fact that Yahshua was indeed the son of the Highest...some to the Hebrews, some to the Gentiles and one to this or that (forget lol)

Outside these four books the "NT" is nothing...the rest is simply LETTERS written by Hebrews to Gentiles (so called white peoples) and Hebrews scattered abroad.

These letters are the beginnings of baring fruit by Messiahs coming to atone and intercede for us unto the Creator...the word begins to go out as YAH said in Isa 55:11 "My word will not come through the earth and back to me in vain"


So it don't matter what you believe, Yah's will will be done. He spoke. It happens.

here is where it get's interesting

there is no reinterpretation found in the NT of YAHUWAH's everlasting word and his vast law for how live in his earth...


The NT is not scriptures...the Torah (first five books of OT) and Tenak (all the other books of OT) are the scriptures. The NT was compiled into a cannon by Gentiles. Though very helpful, there are other books taken out...such as the Apocrypha and the books Messiah read in his day ie the book of Enoch, Jubilees etc...

so the NT is cool and a mad witness of YAHSHUA, but Torah is INSTRUCTION


so in the NT why does it seem to be different ?

So why does it seem to stop ? Why does Israel get so much attention in the OT as far as detailing movements, it's histories, it's prophets and there captivities ?

Well consider that by 70 AD (some 40 years after messiah died on the tree) all of Israel was collectively scattered into captivity by the hands of the Gentiles, unto this day still....there is no Israelites in Israel today...those are the Gentile converts. This was prophesied in almost all OT books to happen....

but also what someone said earlier about mushroom tripping is kinda right n wrong I think it was john who had visions on horseback or something where he saw a great light or something ppl speculate he was an epileptic n that whole trance like state was him having a seizure... Like the aura before and after and all

lol man. Why can't it be as it is written. He was shown these things by Yahshua and the angles of Elohim for the time to surly come ?

Why do we have to think carnal on everything and insert conjecture into spirtual matters ? lol It's the flesh man, it's weak lol

Word so why has modern day Christianity convoluted this so much?

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Originally Posted by Coup

Sup man...

What is a semite ? This is a term not found in scriptures and is a word the Gentile converts in the land today use...would like to see your understanding on this.

I'll use scripture to show you what color Messiah was.

We know the ancient Ysraleites were a nation called Israel, from the cut of Jacob. And this nation's ethnicity was Hebrew. Eber was the first Hebrew, the great grandson of Shem, one of the three sons of Noah coming of the arch to repopulate the world after the flood.

Noah had two other sons. Yahpet and Ham. Ham is recognized the world over as being a black skinned people. Not "arab" but black. Ham was Egypt, and the Canaanites etc... Japhet's children eventually make up the Isles of the Gentiles, in their lands, after their tongues after their families so called white people.

Hebrews all through out the scriptures were mistaken for Hamites (Egyptians). Moses, Joseph, Paul were all mistaken for being Egyptian, when in fact they were all the children of Jacob, or Israel.

Yahshua came from the loins of David, a ruddy man. Ruddy means like a reddish black person...King David was probably the greatest King of all Israel.

In fact, the sons of Japeht did not come on the scene until just before Messiah's time. The reason Jahphet (The European nations) are ruling the earth now is because YAH is allowing this to happen...Japhet is enlarged in Shem's tent (the fake jews in Israel today). So many words on this it's crystal clear.

All the nations in the scriptures were all so called black people, you know true Israel today as Niggers, black people, and other proverbs and bywords...as YAH brought his people VERY low insight of the nations as a witness against disobedience. He is coming for them again with his right hand of power, Yahshua. And all that call on his name in spirit and in truth.

Only one peoples on earth have been successfully enslaved collectively...and it's the so called African American scattered across the earth.

It's deep.

Let me know if you want to see lines and precepts to build this understanding out of the scriptures. I'm prepared to do it.



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I respect your current understanding of the scriptures man. I ain't gunna try to sway you one way or the other, but I encourage you to seek the issue out if that is what you will do or not...It would be pointless for me to say man you are wrong...but I am familiar with some of the points you bring up...but who cares.

word i enjoy all this its all good

i'd like to look into the ham/japhet stuff more. the only thing i've heard from bible/religion type stuff, were theories that the mark that god put on cain, was turning him white. obviously a racially biased thing to make white people seem like the evil fucks we are lol. but word

my only beef with what you are saying is all the bodies dug up dating to the time are semitic type people. whatever they were called back then. like the predecessors to the meads/persians. just like they can tell if a skeleton is a black person or white etc. there are certain characteristics. black people were around as well, but just like how i dunno how kansas is for example. its overwhelmingly white people. that area has been overwhelmingly semitic. from carbon dating

one thing thats dope tho is rome was super mixed. more than previously thought. they had a bunch of black people, and even a black emperor from north africa.

im just not a subscriber to the black cleopatra/black jesus and all that. i havent seen enough evidence for it, but im not opposed to it. black people are clearly depicted in egyptian murals and shit, and all the pharoahs and priests etc were semitic. i mean i think thats a good indication of the populace just from the overwhelming semitic shit. and israel and the fertile crescent is farther north, the farther from africa was most likely less black people.

i dont know i think alot of these theories come from ignorant black people who dont know about the kingdoms of africa, they hear about greece and rome and egypt and its like they have no history so they invent their history within others cultures

sounds kinda harsh i dont mean it that way, its other peoples faults for the most part disconnecting them from their past through slaverly and such. but black people got plenty to be proud about. nubia, kush, timbuktu etc. they used to run shit. and later on or even during you got ethiopia and shit. mixed cultures like carthage and egypt

i've just never heard this ham/japhet stuff tho. link it up and i'll check it out.

I uh oh r u saying semitic or sephardic

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semitic

i think? thats like jewish people and arabs right?

i dunno yo. when i say semitic i dont mean the white jews with curly sideburns and big noses. i mean more the type that look like the leader of iran. them type of middle east dudes. not like afghans and stuff tho, the further east you go the more indian they look

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lmao i image searched on google "semite" and the iran dude is one of the top things but i think its for anti semite and just showed up haha



but word this is an artists recreation of a semitic man from the first century AD. drawn up from like how they can reconstruct faces with muscle tissue etc

Ashkanazi r white jews from europe
sepharidic are jews from Spain or n africa

semitic is usually referring to language from that area

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Originally Posted by Rawn M.D.

Ashkanazi r white jews from europe
sepharidic are jews from Spain or n africa

semitic is usually referring to language from that area

word but the languages are referred to as semitic because semites wrote/spoke them

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semite

semite-

1

a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
b : a descendant of these peoples

2

a: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language

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akkadians were in the fertile crescent, they were babylonians basically modern day iraq. phoenicians are the predecessors of carthage supposedly, most likely a greek type people, armenian looking or something. like the dark greeks. hebrews from israel and arabs from the rest of it

all very similair dark skinned people. not black but definately not white

Word Na I knew that lol I was just curious Cuz u brought up africa n sht

[Coup]

@Rawn

Very good question...I will not pretend to know, but offer some insights...this is a huge question that no man could possibly get right. YAH knows though. Everything that is hidden will be revealed and we will narrowly look on it on that day...

but...

Keep in mind mainstream Christianity is the same age old mystery religions tracing back as far as the greatest most stern empire on earth, under Nimrod and it's tower of Babel...YAH broke it down, and confounded the languages, creating 75 new ones to slow the wickedness down...guess what ? we are going back to those days by the spiritual wickedness in high places leadership...the Euro empire icon on the European Nations is that same unfinished tower of Babel, and as the world closes again on one world language...the effort is heating up, time is short.

Each progressive empire is getting weaker, the first great empire under Nimrod was like gold, pure in control, ours today is like iron mixed with clay...iron is a blunt force, police state etc...

In the Catholic Temples, Paul is a god of this, Mary is now the age old queen of Heaven, they just fit there gods in new names and go with it as the could not stop the true way by 300AD when Christianity was born as a state religion in a political coup of sorts...they pray to Mary, a woman etc...it's deep

regular Christians today adhere to all these same pagan days of Satan as people did then. NOTHING is new under the sun. His SUN day worship day on the first day of the week, not the last by YAHUWAH's command...they keep the satanic Dec 25th, Zeus is given into scriptures, replacing Messiah...an early translation in the first 1611 King James Bible had his name meaning Zeus saves...Eliheyszues or something. They worship Satan unknowingly by teaching rebellion and a flower picking-video-gaming-god

You begin to realize and not take lightly that all roads lead to Rome, ever hear that ? They all had their gods and they are the same exact thing today in the west. All nations have the same gods then as they do now. Where do we come from, the European nations in power today ? WELL ?

People are destroyed by a lack of knowege and understanding, is what YAH said, and that the world languishes and fades away because breaking the everlasting law...think about it. The laws were and are not given all willy nilly. there have purpose.

trace these details, and you may discover all world religions have the same root...We know that evil is a corruption of good. and good is the word and way of Yahuwah. Satan, whom deceived the ENTIRE world is at the helm of all lies..Deception is believing for real what is false to be true, and what is true to be false.

consider the pagan feast days we still hold today, they are age old. Christmas, Easter (fertility goddes worship...rabbit imagery etc), valentines day, HOLY EVENING or Halloween, Thanks Taking or Thanksgiving etc are all pagan and dark High days we hold today...people have not changed, deception is real,

In fact in Pual's letters to the Gentiles he wrote to them saying remove yourself from all that crap and clean your slate, then come unto YAH in truth. These Gentiles were Romans and Greeks etc...and are and still are under the same gods....


Taking Pual's letters and making them say things to justify their pagan religions either by ignorance or not, is rampant.

Why, well just visit rev 12:9


this verse should be much more clearer to oyu know and it's importance:

Revelation 22:14 BLESSED ARE THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, THAT THEY MAY HAVE RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE, AND MAY ENTER IN THROUGH THE GATES INTO THE CITY

and it's no wonder YAHUWAH said:

Isaiah 30 8-10
Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: that this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of YAHUWAH: which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

that table or book, is the book known as the bible today

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haha word. if sephardics are spain/africa they are probably carthaginian type people, which is pretty much like the rest of the middle east. but carthaginians also definately had black people, and was one of the rare cultures of the time that had them in high places. its believed hannibal was at least half black, and he had rome as his bitch for years

but word i know carthage held large pieces of africa and spain at its height, before rome wiped them from existence

[Nigma]

I straoght up refuse to read some of your posta and theres no way im the only one

So coup understanding what u just said why is it only jews celebrate rosh hahaha and yom kipor instead of all Abrahamic religions? Moreover in Hebrew Satan translates to advocate, so how did advocate turn to devil from one book to the next?

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Originally Posted by Coup

@Rawn

Very good question...I will not pretend to know, but offer some insights...this is a huge question that no man could possibly get right. YAH knows though. Everything that is hidden will be revealed and we will narrowly look on it on that day...

but...

Keep in mind mainstream Christianity is the same age old mystery religions tracing back as far as the greatest most stern empire on earth, under Nimrod and it's tower of Babel...YAH broke it down, and confounded the languages, creating 75 new ones to slow the wickedness down...guess what ? we are going back to those days by the spiritual wickedness in high places leadership...the Euro empire icon on the European Nations is that same unfinished tower of Babel, and as the world closes again on one world language...the effort is heating up, time is short.

Each progressive empire is getting weaker, the first great empire under Nimrod was like gold, pure in control, ours today is like iron mixed with clay...iron is a blunt force, police state etc...

In the Catholic Temples, Paul is a god of this, Mary is now the age old queen of Heaven, they just fit there gods in new names and go with it as the could not stop the true way by 300AD when Christianity was born as a state religion in a political coup of sorts...they pray to Mary, a woman etc...it's deep

regular Christians today adhere to all these same pagan days of Satan as people did then. NOTHING is new under the sun. His SUN day worship day on the first day of the week, not the last by YAHUWAH's command...they keep the satanic Dec 25th, Zeus is given into scriptures, replacing Messiah...an early translation in the first 1611 King James Bible had his name meaning Zeus saves...Eliheyszues or something. They worship Satan unknowingly by teaching rebellion and a flower picking-video-gaming-god

You begin to realize and not take lightly that all roads lead to Rome, ever hear that ? They all had their gods and they are the same exact thing today in the west. All nations have the same gods then as they do now. Where do we come from, the European nations in power today ? WELL ?

People are destroyed by a lack of knowege and understanding, is what YAH said, and that the world languishes and fades away because breaking the everlasting law...think about it. The laws were and are not given all willy nilly. there have purpose.

trace these details, and you may discover all world religions have the same root...We know that evil is a corruption of good. and good is the word and way of Yahuwah. Satan, whom deceived the ENTIRE world is at the helm of all lies..Deception is believing for real what is false to be true, and what is true to be false.

consider the pagan feast days we still hold today, they are age old. Christmas, Easter (fertility goddes worship...rabbit imagery etc), valentines day, HOLY EVENING or Halloween, Thanks Taking or Thanksgiving etc are all pagan and dark High days we hold today...people have not changed, deception is real,

In fact in Pual's letters to the Gentiles he wrote to them saying remove yourself from all that crap and clean your slate, then come unto YAH in truth. These Gentiles were Romans and Greeks etc...and are and still are under the same gods....


Taking Pual's letters and making them say things to justify their pagan religions either by ignorance or not, is rampant.

Why, well just visit rev 12:9


this verse should be much more clearer to oyu know and it's importance:

Revelation 22:14 BLESSED ARE THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, THAT THEY MAY HAVE RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE, AND MAY ENTER IN THROUGH THE GATES INTO THE CITY

and it's no wonder YAHUWAH said:

Isaiah 30 8-10
Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: that this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of YAHUWAH: which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

when the romans would conquer a people, they did not care who their gods were, and let them have their freedom of religion. as christianity spread however, rebellions spread with them. rome, weakened on all fronts, couldnt have its populace rebelling as well, so instead of outright quelling the rebellions they started embracing the change. later on with the eastern and western roman empire you get the constantinoples and shit.

but what im getting at is as you conquer a people, you incorporate their religion with your own, so they are not outright stripped of there rituals and practices. you demonise the deities, but you keep the worship, and do it in the name of another.

am i making sense? i read/seen something on it that spelled it out clear, but basically

if i'm a christian and i conquer some barbarian pagans in russia and try to convert them to my religion, and on the winters solstice they always eat these red and white mushrooms underneath a tree that freak there reindeer out, i'm gonna incorporate it to fit and help convert them.

when christianity outlawed psychadelics in these communities a shaman would come by and throw a bag of mushrooms through there smoke stacks/chimneys so the pagans could continue there ritual of eating these mushrooms and tripping balls. over time it evolved into santa clause. you wrap red and white gifts and place them under a tree, they are only psycho active during december 21st to like 26th or some shit. but i got sidetracked

just trying to give an example of the reasoning behind keeping pagan traditions. it was never an evil intent behind it, other than forcing your beliefs on a people in a way that was easier to accept for them

and a few examples of them DEMONISING past religions, poseidons trident, becomes satans pitchfork. goats were a symbol of virility in men, satan is depicted as a goat headed monster with horns. one of the oldest middle eastern religions, i dont think it was sumeria they had the anunaki shit, but one of them had a garden of eden type tale, where the snake was the creator and protector, yet the jewish religion speaks of the snake as an evil tool of satan (who hasnt even been introduced yet or thought of in the bible at this point. its just a random snake, who can actually be viewed as a good figure, because he let them eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. if god is all about us learning why would he withhold knowledge in front of our faces?) but yea they turned the good snake into this evil creature

the list goes on, and its the same with all religions, not just christianity or judaism. they all demonise the previous religions while keeping aspects of it to keep the populace under control