is Snowden's nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize worst ever?

Im not saying you are wrong, you are right or at very best convincing in your arguments as you use logic and facts not heresay.

But you arent open minded and are very stubborn which is your drawback.

[PancakeBrah]

Worst topic ever.

[oats]

@Pancake I resent that. It could have been an interesting discussion, but I should have known better that conspiracy theorists would hijack it.

[Witty]

Lol detour just went full retard.

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@detour

1. what are your opinions on central banking in general?

2. what's your opinion on the movie zeitgeist?

@oats

Can you explain the ideology behind the zeitgeist

[detour]

Originally Posted by oats

@detour

1. what are your opinions on central banking in general?

2. what's your opinion on the movie zeitgeist?

I think central banking is a travesty an should be abolished, especially considering it is illegal by constitutional law...the signing of the federal reserve act was an act of treason, but unfortunately the laws don't apply to the ruling class...

zeitgeist made some great points, but I don't agree with the idea that Jesus Christ was a fictional character comprised of other world religions, especially since the stories of other gods that were supposedly used weren't the same as Jesus Christ at all...I've read thru all of them an none of them are actually what zeitgeist says they are...

[oats]

Originally Posted by detour

I think central banking is a travesty an should be abolished, especially considering it is illegal by constitutional law...the signing of the federal reserve act was an act of treason, but unfortunately the laws don't apply to the ruling class...

not being specific to the US I meant. central banking as a general practice.

[detour]

Originally Posted by oats

not being specific to the US I meant. central banking as a general practice.

my statement still stands...central banking an fiat currency revolve around creating money out of debt...the nation buys the currency from the central bank, with interest, an pays the debt in the same currency...it's a system designed to perpetuate the "rich get richer" idealogy...

in layman's terms, u agree to give me a dollar for $1.05...i have to pay u back with that same currency...thus, every dollar i get printed from u puts me $0.05 more in debt...i can never fully pay the debt cuz i have to get more money printed from u to pay it an that increases the debt...

plus, it puts the people at the bottom at the mercy of the central bank...the more money they print the less it is worth an inflation increases, meaning more money is needed...they print less money an it becomes more valuable but is less acquirable, meaning people are generally poorer...

look at the forced surrender of all gold by the american people...we were robbed basically at gun point for all of our actual wealth, an given worthless paper to replace it...people seem to forget that...an those kinds of practices are at the heart of central banking...the shit is a travesty...

[oats]

Originally Posted by detour

my statement still stands...central banking an fiat currency revolve around creating money out of debt...the nation buys the currency from the central bank, with interest, an pays the debt in the same currency...it's a system designed to perpetuate the "rich get richer" idealogy...

in layman's terms, u agree to give me a dollar for $1.05...i have to pay u back with that same currency...thus, every dollar i get printed from u puts me $0.05 more in debt...i can never fully pay the debt cuz i have to get more money printed from u to pay it an that increases the debt...

wait, let's talk about this in real terms. are you referring to inflation, or taxes, I'm not sure what you're talking about in specifics in that example of 1$ for 1.05.

Put it this way: you get a paycheck for $700 every two weeks for working somewhere (idk what you do tbh). How exactly are you indebted to anyone?

the switch to a floating currency from the gold standard, while a valid point, in reality had very little to do with central banking. one of the reasons why FDR devalued gold was because people started to horde it in the great depression, which made the economy completely halt (compounding the existing economic crises). our currency is hardly interfered with by the FED - only the Canadian dollar is more pure as a floating currency, and really that's a relatively new development because of our stimulus packages and quantitative easing in light of the recession. floating currency has proven to be far more productive for virtually every economy in the world, it's not a conspiracy lol.

I think you have a fundamentally incorrect understanding of the role of the FED, as well as how we came to our current state of inequality, which I'm in full agreement by the way inasmuch as how the cards are stacked in favor of people who are already rich. but that's more a result of policymaking and, what many economists believe, inherent pillars of capitalism.

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PM'd @Masaii

[Aesthetic]

Snowden is a traitor to his government. But was righteous for humanity; it's preposterous that anyone could think that's worth a nobel peace prize but for Obama to take the cake is just downright hypocritical.

Im not going to go as far as to say whistle-blowers should be hanged or imprisoned in Guantanamo. But the man did commit treason and should be punished. Though, he caused more problems than solved. I commend him for trying to do anything, who knows; The U.S. is probably still jerking every country off from that.

But of course; I lack any first hand knowledge of the situation so to say he isn't a mole tactic would be wrong of me. And really to say anything regarding well all thats come from that event would be incorrect due to my lack of inference.

[detour]

Originally Posted by Aesthetic

Snowden is a traitor to his government. But was righteous for humanity; it's preposterous that anyone could think that's worth a nobel peace prize but for Obama to take the cake is just downright hypocritical.

Im not going to go as far as to say whistle-blowers should be hanged or imprisoned in Guantanamo. But the man did commit treason and should be punished. Though, he caused more problems than solved. I commend him for trying to do anything, who knows; The U.S. is probably still jerking every country off from that.

But of course; I lack any first hand knowledge of the situation so to say he isn't a mole tactic would be wrong of me. And really to say anything regarding well all thats come from that event would be incorrect due to my lack of inference.

how can u say he did something righteous for humanity but should be convicted of treason? u can argue that technically what he did might fall under the law for treason, but since when is the good of the government supposed to trump the good of the people? the government has committed treason on numerous occasions...snowden brought some of those to the light, tho' yes, much of it was already "known" to some extent...

the authority of the government extends only so far as it's within it's constitutional boundaries...our government hasn't been within those boundaries in decades, so by our constitution, they don't have the right to exact control over us or dictate laws or convict anyone of anything...the problem is that the american people are too lazy to overthrow the establishment...jefferson an washington woulda been done grabbed the rifle an gone to fight at this point...

[Aesthetic]

Originally Posted by detour

how can u say he did something righteous for humanity but should be convicted of treason? u can argue that technically what he did might fall under the law for treason, but since when is the good of the government supposed to trump the good of the people? the government has committed treason on numerous occasions...snowden brought some of those to the light, tho' yes, much of it was already "known" to some extent...

the authority of the government extends only so far as it's within it's constitutional boundaries...our government hasn't been within those boundaries in decades, so by our constitution, they don't have the right to exact control over us or dictate laws or convict anyone of anything...the problem is that the american people are too lazy to overthrow the establishment...jefferson an washington woulda been done grabbed the rifle an gone to fight at this point...

I completely agree.

Humanity deserved to know, now they know; has revolutions sparked? No, like you said people are too fucking lazy in their lavish lifestyles. So the only thing Snowden has accomplished is a stronger tension between political super powers.

And the things that was imperative to our privacy nsa leaks and stuff; first off has been known. Secondly, he also sold government military tactics and information to other countries to gain asylum. Hes selling his country to help his country, that doesn't sit too right with me.

Though, I commend him for telling us about the NSA with evidential proof. Besides the things that I find important to the united states people. Hes a traitor and could have cause a 3rd world war. Hes fucking irresponsible and should have leaked individual files through wiki leaks causing riots on a small scale until it woulda escalated internally; instead of dropping everything at once.

He forced himself into the corner and the united states into the spotlight, he cause way too many fucking problems.

And yeah, benjamin and thomas would probably take rifle to the streets for overpriced food at walmart. People like you started doing a lot more talking then acting; now here we are, arguing between each other about why nobody is doing anything and whos morally right and whos wrong....

Step your game up, cause a revolt; I will follow. If not, shut the fuck up.

[detour]

Originally Posted by Aesthetic

I completely agree.

Humanity deserved to know, now they know; has revolutions sparked? No, like you said people are too fucking lazy in their lavish lifestyles. So the only thing Snowden has accomplished is a stronger tension between political super powers.

And the things that was imperative to our privacy nsa leaks and stuff; first off has been known. Secondly, he also sold government military tactics and information to other countries to gain asylum. Hes selling his country to help his country, that doesn't sit too right with me.

Though, I commend him for telling us about the NSA with evidential proof. Besides the things that I find important to the united states people. Hes a traitor and could have cause a 3rd world war. Hes fucking irresponsible and should have leaked individual files through wiki leaks causing riots on a small scale until it woulda escalated internally; instead of dropping everything at once.

He forced himself into the corner and the united states into the spotlight, he cause way too many fucking problems.

And yeah, benjamin and thomas would probably take rifle to the streets for overpriced food at walmart. People like you started doing a lot more talking then acting; now here we are, arguing between each other about why nobody is doing anything and whos morally right and whos wrong....

Step your game up, cause a revolt; I will follow. If not, shut the fuck up.

first, snowden sold out the GOVERNMENT cuz the GOVERNMENT woulda likely given him life in prison an/or executed him for committing an act that benefited humanity an exposed their treasonous activities...the government an the people are not the same thing...yes, he sold military secrets to protect his life, but u have to take that in the context of "big government/corporation tryna kill me for exposing how badly they're violating the constitutional rights of the american people so I have to give russia some info on the inner workings of this evil corporation that's violating all these laws an treaties"...

second, if I knew some people who were down to legitimately start a revolution I would do it...problem is, if I storm washington with a rifle in hand I'm a get gunned down before I get within 500 yards of the white house...u have to have enough people with u to actually make it a revolutionary act instead of just a lone gunman that will be called a psychopath on CNN an used as an example to try an enact more gun control laws...unfortunately, while our constitution grants us the right to overthrow the government by force, the government has made any attempts to revolt or overthrow the current system a federal offense of the highest degree...

amazing how the constitution can say "u have the right an duty to revolt" an the government, which is subject to the law of the constitution, can say "revolting against the government is a federal crime"...that should tell u in a nutshell who is really committing the acts of treason here...

[Aesthetic]

Originally Posted by detour

first, snowden sold out the GOVERNMENT cuz the GOVERNMENT woulda likely given him life in prison an/or executed him for committing an act that benefited humanity an exposed their treasonous activities...the government an the people are not the same thing...yes, he sold military secrets to protect his life, but u have to take that in the context of "big government/corporation tryna kill me for exposing how badly they're violating the constitutional rights of the american people so I have to give russia some info on the inner workings of this evil corporation that's violating all these laws an treaties"...

second, if I knew some people who were down to legitimately start a revolution I would do it...problem is, if I storm washington with a rifle in hand I'm a get gunned down before I get within 500 yards of the white house...u have to have enough people with u to actually make it a revolutionary act instead of just a lone gunman that will be called a psychopath on CNN an used as an example to try an enact more gun control laws...unfortunately, while our constitution grants us the right to overthrow the government by force, the government has made any attempts to revolt or overthrow the current system a federal offense of the highest degree...

amazing how the constitution can say "u have the right an duty to revolt" an the government, which is subject to the law of the constitution, can say "revolting against the government is a federal crime"...that should tell u in a nutshell who is really committing the acts of treason here...

Ironic, isn't it?

We both full well know that many people have the same idea of revolt; though, none of the people we actually know has the courage to be a leader. Sad really, how democracy has become a patriarchy.

As would I, although im not sure I would like to die in vain. Perhaps I can just drink my beer and smoke my weed as I watch the world turn to dust. Which sparks more irony because I can just decide this instant, I wont let the world turn to dust because I would not like it to. I lol at the thoughts; another year maybe.


I WILL CAUSE REVOLT AND BE GOD KING TYRANT. lel

[Witty]

Nothing will change.

[trap.]

uh-oh is the smartest guy in this thread, and pretty much all on point with his posts, which is weird bc he's also the most bummiest guy in this thread.

all <3 though.

[Aesthetic]

Originally Posted by trap

uh-oh is the smartest guy in this thread, and pretty much all on point with his posts, which is weird bc he's also the most bummiest guy in this thread.

all <3 though.

[trap.]

boooooooooooooooo!