is alchemist top 5 tho?

[uh-oh]

i think he might be.

[oats]

Probably not. He's underrated dope though. Top 10 easy

[Certain]

DJ Premier, Dr. Dre, RZA and Kanye West come first.

Then we can talk about that fifth spot. But I'd give it to Prince Paul.

[ill nik-A]

No bro

At all

[Orc]

never heard of him tbf

[Wise Wiggles]

Aesop rock ahead of that nigga

[uh-oh]

i've kind of underrated him myself, even tho he is excellent i just refused to put him up there but i mean sometimes you hear beats that just destroy everything, but part of it is since i make beats i look at it from a how difficult would it be for me to make that stand point, or even just the approach itself regardless of difficulty, like how could someone think to do it, LIKE THAT.

i dunno.



shit like that just is incredibly nasty to me. from all angles. the sample itself. the vocal chops. the bassline. the little drum breakdown where he flows in with a little break chop, and the drums themselves are so simplistic. the average dude would bury this in hihats.

its just fucking wizardry that people make stuff so perfect

its part of why i was/am mad that recently alot of dudes just loop samples, or chop and create loops with samples but then don't put drums or bass or anything to it. alchemist did alot of that, and when i know he's such a fucking beast with drum programming and playing basses and just overall producing it kills me

but yea alchemist has a ton of classic beats. i can't put too many names above him. even legends. granted people im putting him ahead of invented techniques he uses. but nobody cares that the japanese invented jiu jitsu yaknow

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Certain

DJ Premier, Dr. Dre, RZA and Kanye West come first.

Then we can talk about that fifth spot. But I'd give it to Prince Paul.

i swear to god i made a list of

premier
dre
rza
alchemist
kanye

but didnt post it cuz im high and self conscious and likely forgetting someone i shouldnt.

[uh-oh]

also someone post that british knights shit please

every beat on that was disgustingly filthy, i don't know who samiyam is tho and i dont know if he did some of the beats? that 8 minute vid with the action bronson snippet at the end.

pure FILTH

[ill nik-A]

Erick sermon

Holler

[Certain]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

i swear to god i made a list of

premier
dre
rza
alchemist
kanye

but didnt post it cuz im high and self conscious and likely forgetting someone i shouldnt.

There's been a bunch of talk lately about Kanye being the greatest ever. But the thing to me is that DJ Premier and Dr. Dre have been at it for 25 years, where as Kanye hasn't even hit 15. And DJ Premier in particular has produced for all kinds of rappers in all kinds of styles.

But I would probably put him third behind those two. RZA had the greatest prime of any producer (from 1993 through 1997), but he has been way too hit-and-miss in the 2000s.

[uh-oh]

to me premier is above them all due to the fact he doesnt use half the technniques someone like alchemist or kanye uses, and he still makes the dopest break your neck shit ever. STILL. to me he never evolved, and he doesnt have to. he is the great white of beat makers.

dre's far and above the best at making his shit sound perfect. and his plethora of classic beats all over the place put him up ther,e even tho personally i like others more he has to be up there he's ill.

kanye was a genius for a long time but to be honest i tapped out back in the power days or whatever that robot shit was. and then seeing a performance where he's triggering the piano stabs in the simplest shit ever on an mpc or whatever i just stopped caring, even tho he still makes some ill shit. he just has some of the dopest beats from the most impressionable time in my life. he was crazy impressive.

alchemist can blow me away or underwhelm the fuck out of me. i made a beat in 07 i couldnt get it to sound right with the sample, there was a weird bass i couldnt make sound good, and i couldnt take it out because that also ruined it, so i settled for an inbetween and never liked it fully, but like last year i heard alchemist flip the sample exactly the same way, and he kept the shitty bass like i did, and the beat was shitty and terrible just like mine was.

and it made me think less of him. but then i can put on at least 50 beats that shit on everything i've ever made, and shit on alot of everything from dre premier or any of them. but the same can be said for all of them. thats why they're top 5.

rza is an anomaly. i can't quantify his dopeness. he deserves the spot, he just aint living crazy no more. he's making beats on shit he bought. not an sp1200 that odb stole of some kid. but he's still capable to make some deadliness.

theres just too many people. erick sermon made one of my favorite beats ever. his catalogue tho i dont feel is as heavy as these dudes tho, to me personally.

[Certain]

Erick Sermon was great within his era, when just grabbing a funk sample was enough. EPMD was two mediocre rappers making great tracks because of fat funk beats. Then he got Redman, an actual great rapper, and took off.

Pete Rock is like the underachiever of rap producers. For one, CL Smooth was kind of shitty most of the time. Then on top of that, Pete Rock always dropped that one great beat but then like eight normal ones.

[Ghost1]

Can u just link sum more beats like that one off that evidence album u linked above? That was crazy.

[Certain]

Then you have Timbaland. The Neptunes and Lil Jon kind of just took what Timbaland was doing and stripped it back a little more. So basically Timbaland set the blueprint for radio rap for the past 15 years.

But a lot of that shit is terrible, not the beats but the rap. So do you give credit to Timbaland for making beats that made terrible rappers famous?

[uh-oh]

yea pete deserves to be mentioned, just not top 5. maybe not top 10. but he also made one of my favorite beats. i just realized your avy and user title are relevant to my favorite erick sermon beat btw.

but word i just gotta go by volume of impressiveness when it comes down to it.

alot of people are wowed by dilla. i never was tho. he's got a few, and he definately has his own sound which i enjoy (not as much as the dilla diehards tho) but word i never could put him up there, i'd probably put 9th ahead of him.

another dude is just blaze tho who deserves alot of recognition but i dunno. what he did make was crazy. probably top 20. maybe 10.

too many ill people it just gets foggy.

any top 5 in my eyes is really just dj premier and then 4 people who i can't decide who is number 2.

[Certain]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

alot of people are wowed by dilla. i never was tho. he's got a few, and he definately has his own sound which i enjoy (not as much as the dilla diehards tho) but word i never could put him up there,

The best producer in The Ummah actually was Q-Tip. He's top 10 when you factor in A Tribe Called Quest, Common and some of his other stuff.

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Certain

Then you have Timbaland. The Neptunes and Lil Jon kind of just took what Timbaland was doing and stripped it back a little more. So basically Timbaland set the blueprint for radio rap for the past 15 years.

But a lot of that shit is terrible, not the beats but the rap. So do you give credit to Timbaland for making beats that made terrible rappers famous?

i never liked timbaland personally he has a few that i have to respect but yea. i mean he, like pharrel, and not like lil john lol, is amazing, ridiculously talented, but i just could care less. probably has alot to do with them not being as sample based as well and my personal biases.

@Bags my headphones just died man i got these shitty wireless ones. ima get batteries tomorrow and flood the thread

i was hoping people would flood it with people who should be above alchemist tho just to see who i am sleeping on or forgetting

[jilti]

i was checking out a top 25 beats of dr dre list and "in da club" was number 21 on that particular list, which shows how crazy his catalog is

[oats]

Timbaland not getting enough love in this, top 5 to me.

Certain dead on a out Pete rock though. One outstanding beat for every 10 average ones.