how good was Allen Iverson - Page 6

oats · 06-25-2013, 05:19 PM

yeah def not top 25. It's debatable whether or not he's even the best PG to come out of that draft.

Thing is, he's too one-dimensional to be great. He's the best pure scorer of his generation, but that's one facet of basketball. Props to his MVP and scoring titles, but that's about the end of his ledger when it comes to anything significant (ROTY isn't that big of a deal tbh). When he was playing, the eastern conference was the JV compared to the West, and he only managed one finals appearance. Compare that to Jason Kidd, who took an equally untalented team to the finals more than once, all the while not being a great scorer. AI was an individual talent, didn't make anyone around him better. That's the mark of a great player.

Top 10 guard, possibly top 30 all time, but his career isn't impressive enough to warrant that upper-echelon of all time.

God Of War · 06-25-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Untold

Do they recognize it? Homies got the P. Mac named after him. Short for Pete Maravich. Dude was undeniably good, too bad he died so young. Very underrated player in my opinion

he the rgeatest ncaa player to ever play and still holds records there

also was a beast in the nba

fuckin pistol was that dude lol

God Of War · 06-25-2013, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by oats

yeah def not top 25. It's debatable whether or not he's even the best PG to come out of that draft.

Thing is, he's too one-dimensional to be great. He's the best pure scorer of his generation, but that's one facet of basketball. Props to his MVP and scoring titles, but that's about the end of his ledger when it comes to anything significant (ROTY isn't that big of a deal tbh). When he was playing, the eastern conference was the JV compared to the West, and he only managed one finals appearance. Compare that to Jason Kidd, who took an equally untalented team to the finals more than once, all the while not being a great scorer. AI was an individual talent, didn't make anyone around him better. That's the mark of a great player.

Top 10 guard, possibly top 30 all time, but his career isn't impressive enough to warrant that upper-echelon of all time.

id like to see your top 25

God Of War · 06-25-2013, 05:31 PM

@Untold i thought jason williams was going to be a new pistol pete from the way he handled the ball and shit but i got let down a bit. he was still a dope ass player tho n could almost handle the ball like pete could

oats · 06-25-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by God Of War

id like to see your top 25

In no particular order, just off the top of my head:

Mj
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Russell
Robertson
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Wilt
Erving
Mikan
Isaiah Thomas
Jerry west
Barkley
Malone
Stockton
Hakeem
Ewing
Drexler
Moses Malone
Pete Maravich
David Robinson
Pippen
Lebron

There are still a number of players that I'd still put ahead of AI.

Mike Wrecka · 06-25-2013, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by oats

In no particular order, just off the top of my head:

Mj
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Russell
Robertson
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Wilt
Erving
Mikan
Isaiah Thomas
Jerry west
Barkley
Malone
Stockton
Hakeem
Ewing
Drexler
Moses Malone
Pete Maravich
David Robinson
Pippen
Lebron

There are still a number of players that I'd still put ahead of AI.

great list. I have no complaints with those players. I might throw Clyde Frazier in there somewhere but im biased as a Knicks fan.

so exactly who would you AI lovers take off that list to add Iverson?

oats · 06-25-2013, 07:41 PM

Frazier is a beast.

Not to mention guys like Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Jason Kidd, KG, Dirk, etc who are all debatably better than AI all time. Iverson is AT BEST top 30, but even that's a stretch.

Paradigm · 06-25-2013, 08:12 PM

vastly overrated but still Top50 player def top100 all time.

Geno · 06-25-2013, 08:36 PM

id take of zeke or barkley to add ai

as far as im concerned ai fits just as well as they do

Joe Metts · 06-25-2013, 09:13 PM

Yea just take barkley off. A top 2 power forward of all time.

Geno · 06-25-2013, 09:19 PM

fuck it, ya know?

Geno · 06-25-2013, 09:20 PM

lb for lb i got ai over barkley all day

Joe Metts · 06-25-2013, 09:29 PM

I got 10 guys in the nba today over AI lol

Geno · 06-25-2013, 09:32 PM

hahahaha, i guarantee its truth to. i tell you what though, i went to a sixers game when i was in philly still.. ai and eric snow put on a hell of show. but ya.. that dont get you top 50.

Philly · 06-25-2013, 09:34 PM

Shawn Kemp for top 25 all time consideration...

Are you twiddling my fuckin twat right now?

Allen Knight · 06-25-2013, 09:38 PM

payton>rain man

SiK · 06-25-2013, 09:39 PM

David Robinson def not top 25

oats · 06-25-2013, 10:45 PM

1. Never put Kemp in top 25, just in the same category as AI. Probably a little under though.

2. D Rob not top 25=you don't know shit and/or you didn't start watching bball till 2002

SiK · 06-25-2013, 11:05 PM

Oats your a poet who dresses like a tree hugging faggit. wtf you know about sports

oats · 06-25-2013, 11:11 PM

Sik, I'm better than you at everything.

Oh and I played college ball. Run along now.

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Geno White Earl Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Philly Cat. Posts: 12,354 Battle Record: 10-15 Accomplishments - Open Mic HOF (4x) Champed - Netcees Writers League - Write Week I - Write Week 8 Rep Power: 50036761	id take of zeke or barkley to add ai as far as im concerned ai fits just as well as they do __________________ *-A.bove T.he R.est*

06-25-2013, 09:19 PM	#111
Geno White Earl Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Philly Cat. Posts: 12,354 Battle Record: 10-15 Accomplishments - Open Mic HOF (4x) Champed - Netcees Writers League - Write Week I - Write Week 8 Rep Power: 50036761	fuck it, ya know? __________________ *-A.bove T.he R.est*

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Geno White Earl Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Philly Cat. Posts: 12,354 Battle Record: 10-15 Accomplishments - Open Mic HOF (4x) Champed - Netcees Writers League - Write Week I - Write Week 8 Rep Power: 50036761	lb for lb i got ai over barkley all day __________________ *-A.bove T.he R.est*

06-25-2013, 09:32 PM	#114
Geno White Earl Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Philly Cat. Posts: 12,354 Battle Record: 10-15 Accomplishments - Open Mic HOF (4x) Champed - Netcees Writers League - Write Week I - Write Week 8 Rep Power: 50036761	hahahaha, i guarantee its truth to. i tell you what though, i went to a sixers game when i was in philly still.. ai and eric snow put on a hell of show. but ya.. that dont get you top 50. __________________ *-A.bove T.he R.est*

06-25-2013, 09:38 PM	#116
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06-25-2013, 05:19 PM	#101
oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	yeah def not top 25. It's debatable whether or not he's even the best PG to come out of that draft. Thing is, he's too one-dimensional to be great. He's the best pure scorer of his generation, but that's one facet of basketball. Props to his MVP and scoring titles, but that's about the end of his ledger when it comes to anything significant (ROTY isn't that big of a deal tbh). When he was playing, the eastern conference was the JV compared to the West, and he only managed one finals appearance. Compare that to Jason Kidd, who took an equally untalented team to the finals more than once, all the while not being a great scorer. AI was an individual talent, didn't make anyone around him better. That's the mark of a great player. Top 10 guard, possibly top 30 all time, but his career isn't impressive enough to warrant that upper-echelon of all time.

06-25-2013, 05:31 PM	#104
God Of War The Landlord Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,822 Battle Record: 12-10 Rep Power: 10493983	@Untold i thought jason williams was going to be a new pistol pete from the way he handled the ball and shit but i got let down a bit. he was still a dope ass player tho n could almost handle the ball like pete could

06-25-2013, 07:41 PM	#107
oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	Frazier is a beast. Not to mention guys like Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Jason Kidd, KG, Dirk, etc who are all debatably better than AI all time. Iverson is AT BEST top 30, but even that's a stretch.

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Paradigm ___________ Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: California Posts: 1,989 Battle Record: 4-4 Champed - The Ultimate Textcee - NBL Cypher Rep Power: 11033512	vastly overrated but still Top50 player def top100 all time.

06-25-2013, 09:13 PM	#110
Joe Metts Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Hanover, PA Posts: 2,760 Battle Record: 14-6 Rep Power: 18112003	Yea just take barkley off. A top 2 power forward of all time.

06-25-2013, 09:29 PM	#113
Joe Metts Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Hanover, PA Posts: 2,760 Battle Record: 14-6 Rep Power: 18112003	I got 10 guys in the nba today over AI lol

06-25-2013, 09:34 PM	#115
Philly Only The Strong Survive Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 325 Battle Record: 8-8 Rep Power: 37	Shawn Kemp for top 25 all time consideration... Are you twiddling my fuckin twat right now?

06-25-2013, 09:39 PM	#117
SiK Sergeant Slaughter Join Date: Mar 1986 Posts: 1,913 Battle Record: 13-4 Rep Power: 3648788	David Robinson def not top 25

06-25-2013, 10:45 PM	#118
oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	1. Never put Kemp in top 25, just in the same category as AI. Probably a little under though. 2. D Rob not top 25=you don't know shit and/or you didn't start watching bball till 2002

06-25-2013, 11:05 PM	#119
SiK Sergeant Slaughter Join Date: Mar 1986 Posts: 1,913 Battle Record: 13-4 Rep Power: 3648788	Oats your a poet who dresses like a tree hugging faggit. wtf you know about sports

06-25-2013, 11:11 PM	#120
oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	Sik, I'm better than you at everything. Oh and I played college ball. Run along now.