if you honestly think jay-z is a better rapper than nasir jones

[oats]

Hit Em Up was just mean, and it was waaaaay more aggressive than Ether or Takeover. I concede the Outlawz being terrible though, they bring that song down a notch.

Malcom X might be my favorite diss track come to think of it. that had the aggression and harsh edge of Hit Em Up but with an actually talented lyricist at the helm.

[Certain]

Originally Posted by oats

Hit Em Up was just mean, and it was waaaaay more aggressive than Ether or Takeover. I concede the Outlawz being terrible though, they bring that song down a notch.

Malcom X might be my favorite diss track come to think of it. that had the aggression and harsh edge of Hit Em Up but with an actually talented lyricist at the helm.

"Aggressive" might not be the right word. When I say that, I mean personal and cruel. "Hit 'Em Up" essentially was an homage to saying "I'm going to kill you" and "You're gay" in various ways. "Ether," "Takeover" and "Malcolm X" were specific, biting and relevant.

2Pac was a very talented lyricist. His dis tracks were terrible, though. He didn't care because he only wanted money and fame.

[oats]

I agree, but you have to admit that "I'm gonna kill you" is a little different coming from Death Row records. I listen to Nas et al in a different way than I listen to Westside Connection nah mean.

I think Pac is underrated as a lyricist, but his appeal isn't lyrical I don't think. He's a larger than life persona, and what always connected with me was his unflinching honesty and openness, not so much any type of lyrical flare.

[Certain]

Originally Posted by oats

I agree, but you have to admit that "I'm gonna kill you" is a little different coming from Death Row records. I listen to Nas et al in a different way than I listen to Westside Connection nah mean.

I simply don't. 2Pac was a theater student.

Originally Posted by oats

I think Pac is underrated as a lyricist, but his appeal isn't lyrical I don't think. He's a larger than life persona, and what always connected with me was his unflinching honesty and openness, not so much any type of lyrical flare.

I hear people say this stuff all the time. I have never understood it, but that's because I think of Me Against the World as his defining statement.

Originally Posted by If I Die 2Nite

They say pussy and paper is poetry, power and pistols
Plotting on murdering motherfuckers 'fore they get you
Picturing pitiful punk niggas copping pleas
Puffing weed as I position myself to clock G's
My enemies scatter in suicidal situations
Never to witness the wicked shit that they was facing
Pockets is packed with presidents, pursue your riches
Evading the player-hating tricks, while hitting switches
Bitches is bad-mouth, cause brawling motherfuckers is bold
But y'all some hoes, the game should be sewed
The sickest psychotic society somebody save me
Addicted to drama so even mama couldn't raise me
Even the preacher and all my teachers couldn't reach me
I run in the streets and puffing weed wit my peeps
I'm ducking the cops, I hit the weed as I'm clutching my Glock
Niggas is hot when I hit the block, what if I die tonight

That seems pretty lyrical.

[oats]

that's easily his best album imo, but still that doesn't appeal to my lyrically so much as it appeals to my sense of veracity, for lack of a better way to put it. He encapsulated the paradoxes of humanity more than any other MC, and did so in a way that was epic on a grand scale.

he's not a bad lyricist by any standards, but what sticks out to me about him was his passion; the conviction behind what he said rang louder than what he actually said. of course, if he was saying stupid shit or was a simplistic MC it wouldn't be quite the same either, but when I think 2-Pac, "lyricist" is not one of the first things that comes to mind.

[Certain]

Yes, 2Pac came across as being so authentic even though he probably was the fakest rapper until Rick Ross.

[oats]

and the t-rex was most likely a scavenger. these are things I turn a blind eye to for the sake of my inner-child.

[e11even]

Originally Posted by Muff

he fucked kelis? nu-uh

No. His first wifey Carmen, the predecessor to Kelis.

[Baron Mynd]

Do you fools listen to music, or d'you just skim through it?

[PancakeBrah]

Certain vs. Oats is the most professional and cordial beef in history

[zygote]

CANIBUS v LL COOL JJ - "Better give me the respect that I deserve, or ima take it by force, blast you with a 45 colt, make you somersault." + "You drippin with whack juice." + "Well let me tell you something, you might got more cash than me, but you aint got the skills to eat a niggas ass like me" + "Now watch me rip the tat from your arm, kick you in the groin, stick you for your vanguard award in front of your mom your first, 2nd and 3rd born, make your wife get on the horn, call minister Farrakhan, so he can persuade me to squash it, I say naw he started it, he forgot what a hardcore artist is."

CANIBUS v DIZASTER - "Look like Tom Cruise Mom's shoes" + "Are you a faggot or a faggot magnet, or just a faggot vampire that drinks faggot blood?" + "You just a pretty funny guy with peanut butter brown honey eyes."

CANIBUS v BEANIE SIEGEL - "Whats the issue monkey face i'll monkey flip you."

CANIBUS v EMINEM - "I'm a fry you on behalf of Mariah and Michael, put you back on them drugs make you suicidal, when you use the word nigga just remember your idols."

CANIBUS v royce5'9 - "Tell me something nigga, do you know who McGregor Mathis is? You don't know McGregor Mathis is Elvis's grandfather?" + "Canibus don't need no twitter to tell you what the fuck he feelin nigga" + "I mastered my pen and I mastered these rhymes... I was the first MC with a website... but instead of the niggas usin the shit to be more real, they usin smoke and mirrors to make us antagonize eachother with the exponential ability to brainwash the entire hiphop generation to turn their backs on the champions of the culture to isolate and alienate the artists whom the media has purposely blackballed, like yours truly."

CANIBUS v j COLE - "I don't know what worse AIDS or cancer, them stupid ass questions or your stupid ass answers."

CANIBUS v joey budden - "joey lowlife got known overnight for niggas fuckin his wife. got bust in the eyesight and still wouldn't fight."

CANIBUS v Wyclef Jean - "You mad at the last album? I apologize for it, yo, I can't call it, motherfucking Wyclef spoiled it"

[Tettris]

dead @ Tom Cruise's mom's shoes

[Hush]

Originally Posted by Brian Bryan

lmao @Certain judging diss tracks like they were text battles

wowzer

This can't be his life can it?

[Hush]

Originally Posted by zygote

CANIBUS v LL COOL JJ - "Better give me the respect that I deserve, or ima take it by force, blast you with a 45 colt, make you somersault." + "You drippin with whack juice." + "Well let me tell you something, you might got more cash than me, but you aint got the skills to eat a niggas ass like me" + "Now watch me rip the tat from your arm, kick you in the groin, stick you for your vanguard award in front of your mom your first, 2nd and 3rd born, make your wife get on the horn, call minister Farrakhan, so he can persuade me to squash it, I say naw he started it, he forgot what a hardcore artist is."

CANIBUS v DIZASTER - "Look like Tom Cruise Mom's shoes" + "Are you a faggot or a faggot magnet, or just a faggot vampire that drinks faggot blood?" + "You just a pretty funny guy with peanut butter brown honey eyes."

CANIBUS v BEANIE SIEGEL - "Whats the issue monkey face i'll monkey flip you."

CANIBUS v EMINEM - "I'm a fry you on behalf of Mariah and Michael, put you back on them drugs make you suicidal, when you use the word nigga just remember your idols."

CANIBUS v royce5'9 - "Tell me something nigga, do you know who McGregor Mathis is? You don't know McGregor Mathis is Elvis's grandfather?" + "Canibus don't need no twitter to tell you what the fuck he feelin nigga" + "I mastered my pen and I mastered these rhymes... I was the first MC with a website... but instead of the niggas usin the shit to be more real, they usin smoke and mirrors to make us antagonize eachother with the exponential ability to brainwash the entire hiphop generation to turn their backs on the champions of the culture to isolate and alienate the artists whom the media has purposely blackballed, like yours truly."

CANIBUS v j COLE - "I don't know what worse AIDS or cancer, them stupid ass questions or your stupid ass answers."

CANIBUS v joey budden - "joey lowlife got known overnight for niggas fuckin his wife. got bust in the eyesight and still wouldn't fight."

CANIBUS v Wyclef Jean - "You mad at the last album? I apologize for it, yo, I can't call it, motherfucking Wyclef spoiled it"

Don't know y but reppppppd

[Exis]

Canibus is dope...'eat a niggas ass like me' is a little suss though.

[El Muffin]

u jus a funny guy with peanut butter honey eyes

[Certain]

Originally Posted by Hush

Don't know y but reppppppd

I'm pretty sure he quoted those from memory.

[Witty]

Zyg's memory is Random Access.

[Brian Bryan]

Originally Posted by Certain

Is the point not to actually dis the other person? I love "Ether." It's both more listenable and more aggressive than "Hit 'Em Up." The same is true for "Takeover." If the goal isn't to embarrass the other person through personal attacks, then what is it?

Super Ugly absolutely fucking slayed me though when I heard that shit on radio, literally game over, Jay brought the roflzzz

[Fart]

Originally Posted by Certain

Surely you are smart enough to understand the entire beef was fabricated to increase interest in both and East Coast rap at a key time in the genre's history, right? And surely you understand that after "Ether," Jay Z only grew more famous and more successful, right?

I know some people here are Simpletons, but I expect more out of you than this.

Ouch, hit you right in the feels huh

thats not even paying homage. lmao.

wrong quote but w.e