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Old 11-18-2014, 02:23 PM   #61
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"random people approaching each other"

NOBODY IS BOTHERED BY THIS FFS

a stranger approaching another stranger RESPECTFULLY is not frowned upon by anyone.

HARASSMENT as in, DISRESPECTFUL remarks that make ppl feel uncomfortable is what ppl take issue with.

If a girl gives off the nonverbal cues that she wants to be talked something like "Hi, I'm [anime_boners], you look real nice just want you to know, etc. <<< perfectly acceptable and successful way to meet women

"YO BABY I LIKE THEM TITS" *proceeds to follow her up dark, empty street shouting things of this nature* "FUCK YOU THEN BITCH, LEARN TO TAKE A COMPLIMENT"

^this is not acceptable

how can you not see the difference here
I see the difference and understand that bro

but you do realise the approach in general is being scrutinized. as I said i see this fight everyday by people with major backings, the last multi national argument i seen a few days ago was a woman should not be approached at all unless she feels she wants ot be

that makes no sense and it got up national attention and agreement. lmao how the fuck do u know someone wants ot be approached without approaching them?
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lmao you are no different them the extremists man, soon as facts are proven n presented u pick and choose what to reply to or quit.
What specifically have I said that's extreme? Quote me please.
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What specifically have I said that's extreme? Quote me please.
its not what you said its what you choose to ignore, this is about equality and i have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, so has many scholars that feminism is now not about equality. yet you choose the facts you want to reply to and ignore others.

as i said someone like christina hoff sommers is one of the 1st wave feminists and is a very educated and smart women, she proves shit with facts u need to check her out
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I see the difference and understand that bro

but you do realise the approach in general is being scrutinized. as I said i see this fight everyday by people with major backings, the last multi national argument i seen a few days ago was a woman should not be approached at all unless she feels she wants ot be

that makes no sense and it got up national attention and agreement. lmao how the fuck do u know someone wants ot be approached without approaching them?
Not at all. At no point were we talking about politely introducing yourself. We were talking about catcalling. That's it.

@nyc, no, no troll. You're an intelligent person. Present your points. I'll listen.
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Not at all. At no point were we talking about politely introducing yourself. We were talking about catcalling. That's it.

@nyc, no, no troll. You're an intelligent person. Present your points. I'll listen.
you just wont pay attention or reply to them if it makes sense lol

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do you realise ther was a video and over 30000 men were used as a beuaitful women walked by them and out of all them men only 2 percent of 30 thousand men cat called the women, guess what parts of the video made the news?


those are the points of this new wave feminism which is what i am trying to tell u has no merit.
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gow look at it like this

when you go to "flirt" with a girl

think to yourself "if a dude spoke this way to my mother/sister/aunt/niece/female cousins/any female i care about, how would I react?"

if you'd react negatively, maybe not say those words?

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you realise most rapists have mental conditions yes? so yes I feel sad a man cant mentally tell what not to do and there for ruins his life because at some point he did not seek medical help.
1. how do you feel about child molesters / abusers, in most cases this is also considered a mental condition. do you pity child rapists?

2. not every rape is a man holding a woman down, beating her, and fucking her. rape AS ALREADY DISCUSSED, is also sex with a person who is too intoxicated to consent, or not awake to consent.

Many rapists who have raped women in these conditions don't consider it rape at all. this is not mental condition, but simply the results of living in a culture where this form of rape is considered by many a "grey area". which it is not. it is rape.

again use the "if someone did it to a female who is important to me how would I feel" rule. if your sister came to you and said she was drunk and some kids took advantage of her while she was half passed out and unable to give real consent would shame her for a slut or would you be asking where you can find these fucks?
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its not what you said its what you choose to ignore, this is about equality and i have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, so has many scholars that feminism is now not about equality. yet you choose the facts you want to reply to and ignore others.

as i said someone like christina hoff sommers is one of the 1st wave feminists and is a very educated and smart women, she proves shit with facts u need to check her out
You've not replied to everything I've said either. It's not intentional on my part. The pace of this discussion makes it hard to keep up with everything. PM me what you want me to address and we'll have a slower paced discussion about it. Cool?
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I see the difference and understand that bro

but you do realise the approach in general is being scrutinized. as I said i see this fight everyday by people with major backings, the last multi national argument i seen a few days ago was a woman should not be approached at all unless she feels she wants ot be

that makes no sense and it got up national attention and agreement. lmao how the fuck do u know someone wants ot be approached without approaching them?
you do know ppl well enough to know there are nonverbal cues we give one another that say "do or do not talk to me", right?
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You've not replied to everything I've said either. It's not intentional on my part. The pace of this discussion makes it hard to keep up with everything. PM me what you want me to address and we'll have a slower paced discussion about it. Cool?
yeah i agree with that i see everyones reply and they kind of blend together so i get confused on what im replying to as well
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you do know ppl well enough to know there are nonverbal cues we give one another that say "do or do not talk to me", right?
the point is people can not always read people, walking up and asking or saying hi to someone is not harassment as it is being called by major feminist parties
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the point is people can not always read people, walking up and asking or saying hi to someone is not harassment as it is being called by major feminist parties
Show me where a major feminist party takes issue with a guy saying hello to a woman.
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gow look at it like this

when you go to "flirt" with a girl

think to yourself "if a dude spoke this way to my mother/sister/aunt/niece/female cousins/any female i care about, how would I react?"

if you'd react negatively, maybe not say those words?


1. how do you feel about child molesters / abusers, in most cases this is also considered a mental condition. do you pity child rapists?

2. not every rape is a man holding a woman down, beating her, and fucking her. rape AS ALREADY DISCUSSED, is also sex with a person who is too intoxicated to consent, or not awake to consent.

Many rapists who have raped women in these conditions don't consider it rape at all. this is not mental condition, but simply the results of living in a culture where this form of rape is considered by many a "grey area". which it is not. it is rape.

again use the "if someone did it to a female who is important to me how would I feel" rule. if your sister came to you and said she was drunk and some kids took advantage of her while she was half passed out and unable to give real consent would shame her for a slut or would you be asking where you can find these fucks?
pk i get your point now answer me this, a woman was to drunk to make a good decision and gets sexed on, a man was just as drunk and has sex with her. that is rape ? so he is held accountable and she is not? because that case was prese3nted not long ago

and I have pitty for anyone mentally disabled and does not get help., if people do shit like that bro there is something wrong with them and it is us as a society that should try to spot it. of course i dont think they shouldnt be in prison for life

and if there was truly a rape culture every man would be ok with rape, have you raped anyone you grew up in this same culture bro?
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I can show you many. as i said since this has crossed over into my field i have had to pay insanely close amounts of attention to it.
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I can show you many. as i said since this has crossed over into my field i have had to pay insanely close amounts of attention to it.
So show me. I'm waiting.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ces-mysogynist

thats pretty much what I am trying to say

and even he talks bout them making all advances as sexist and harassment
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the point is people can not always read people, walking up and asking or saying hi to someone is not harassment as it is being called by major feminist parties
if you can't read what they want leave them alone? this is not difficult.

kinda like with mushrooms.. you can eat some, but not others.. so you don't just go eating every mushroom you see and deal with the consequences after.. you ONLY eat the one that you know is safe.

Soooo

if you don't know whether she wants your attention, leave her alone? is that so hard? the world is not based on what you want when you want it. I WANT HER SO I HAVE TO HIT ON HER EVEN IF SHE MIGHT NOT WANT ME I DON'T CARE, BECAUSE WHAT SHE WANTS DOESN'T MATTER

when you ignore/can't recognize nonverbal cues that say "no" you send a vibe that says "no doesn't meant anything to me because I want you" and this gives women huge RAPE vibes and makes them feel unsafe.

how can you seriously not get this, or say you want equality if you think it's okay to make another person feel this way simply because you're attracted to them?
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if you can't read what they want leave them alone? this is not difficult.

kinda like with mushrooms.. you can eat some, but not others.. so you don't just go eating every mushroom you see and deal with the consequences after.. you ONLY eat the one that you know is safe.

Soooo

if you don't know whether she wants your attention, leave her alone? is that so hard? the world is not based on what you want when you want it. I WANT HER SO I HAVE TO HIT ON HER EVEN IF SHE MIGHT NOT WANT ME I DON'T CARE, BECAUSE WHAT SHE WANTS DOESN'T MATTER

when you ignore/can't recognize nonverbal cues that say "no" you send a vibe that says "no doesn't meant anything to me because I want you" and this gives women huge RAPE vibes and makes them feel unsafe.

how can you seriously not get this, or say you want equality if you think it's okay to make another person feel this way simply because you're attracted to them?

so you are saying by walking up to someone and saying "how are you" you are giving off a rape vibe lmfao seriously?

to know if she is interested or not you have to approach at some points. if she says no or gives a hint she is uninterested after u say hi then sure bug off. but were talking bout the walking up and saying hi part
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this is tough, but in my mind it comes down to how it initiated? if a chick is flat out wasted and she throws herself at you and you are soberr enough to recognize this - you obviously decline.

if both are wasted it is tough, but I would say it should fall on the party that initiated things? I also have to say though, in instances like this where both parties are too drunk to consent it kind of cancels each other out? but it is hard to say.

there's an argument for whiskey dick ie. if the man was too drunk to consent he wouldn't be able to get it up, but we all metabolize liquor different so I can't support that
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GOW I'm gonna read/reply to your link in a sec but I have to post this first bc I'm on my phone and so copy/pasting is awkward.

You talked about feminists never caring about sexism as it affects men. I just remembered this video came up in my fb feed a little while ago. Here's a feminist youtube channel dedicating an entire entry to how sexism affects men. I'm certain I could find more if you think this is rare, but again- on my phone, so I'll do that later. Here's the video though

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