all this gay debate shit going round

[oats]

I think humans are part of the natural world for the reasons you said (we are biological organisms and still rely on nature), but we also overcome and extend beyond what is natural, which is exclusive to humanity as a species.

Parks and trees exist in cities, but by no means are symbiotic. They're there because we choose them to be there. Symbiotic would be us digging holes into mountainsides or the ground, not killing everything beneath us with cement to build a sturdier foundation (cement, by the way, also not a natural substance, so anything made out of it is unnatural).

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Originally Posted by oats

I think humans are part of the natural world for the reasons you said (we are biological organisms and still rely on nature), but we also overcome and extend beyond what is natural, which is exclusive to humanity as a species.

Parks and trees exist in cities, but by no means are symbiotic. They're there because we choose them to be there. Symbiotic would be us digging holes into mountainsides or the ground, not killing everything beneath us with cement to build a sturdier foundation (cement, by the way, also not a natural substance, so anything made out of it is unnatural).

cement is natural

thats like saying a wasp nest is unnatural. its some weird paperish thing that wasps make there homes out of. it doesnt occur naturally unless a wasp makes it.

same can be said for cement. it doesnt occur naturally unless a human makes it.

we do not extend beyond what is natural. that is impossible. we just have different definitions or something yo. everything is natural. its just what it is. when you think of nature you must think of the woods.

theres a reason there is a saying "its in his nature". its something he naturally does. its in bill gates nature to do nerd shit you would view as unnatural, when in reality it is as natural as it gets bro

but word this is going nowhere. im agreeing to disagree and am saddened you refuse to see the light.