If I get 1 email I'm good, anyone want to help Bernie win the nomination?

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none of them stand a chance of beating the trump tho. you could direct this hard work in a direction that could actually benefit people?

tulsi 2024

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Originally Posted by uh-oh

none of them stand a chance of beating the trump tho. you could direct this hard work in a direction that could actually benefit people?

tulsi 2024

imo bernie has a huge chance of beating trump.
(edit; tbc i think warren & biden would get beat by a sizable margin)

supporting bernie does actually benefit people
i also do other things that directly benefit people, this is not hard work

i also help tulsi's campaign

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Originally Posted by boof

imo bernie has a huge chance of beating trump.
(edit; tbc i think warren & biden would get beat by a sizable margin)

supporting bernie does actually benefit people
i also do other things that directly benefit people, this is not hard work

i also help tulsi's campaign

word reading back my comment it sounded dickish but my keyboard is a piece of shit so i cut shit short after fighting with it

i think bernie has the best chance, but i mean i just dont see any of them winning. granted the left and alot of people didn't think trump had a chance so maybe im wrong. but the fact that everyone i come in contact with that were trump guys have all doubled down and have loved everything he's done its just like yea i dunno

he's been bodying it for his constituency

i also don't think it helps bernie had a heart attack the other day lol. the dems need to be done with this 78 person nonsense, and just support someone who is much more centrist.

bernie is way too left. but i can't understand why anyone likes warren or biden at all.

i disagree with a ton of tulsi's shit but she's easily the best candidate amongst the bunch. but again shes further to the center so that makes her more bearable to me

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

word reading back my comment it sounded dickish but my keyboard is a piece of shit so i cut shit short after fighting with it

i think bernie has the best chance, but i mean i just dont see any of them winning. granted the left and alot of people didn't think trump had a chance so maybe im wrong. but the fact that everyone i come in contact with that were trump guys have all doubled down and have loved everything he's done its just like yea i dunno

he's been bodying it for his constituency

i also don't think it helps bernie had a heart attack the other day lol. the dems need to be done with this 78 person nonsense, and just support someone who is much more centrist.

bernie is way too left. but i can't understand why anyone likes warren or biden at all.

i disagree with a ton of tulsi's shit but she's easily the best candidate amongst the bunch. but again shes further to the center so that makes her more bearable to me

She’s also the Russian plant in this election, so yeah this makes sense

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Originally Posted by Destroyer

She’s also the Russian plant in this election, so yeah this makes sense

stop getting your info from media extensions of the dnc

i can't believe how effective their absolutely baseless narratives are on so many moderates, it's disheartening

[Destroyer]

There’s no news source that’s unbiased
It’s all bullshit

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Originally Posted by Destroyer

There’s no news source on cable television that’s unbiased
It’s all bullshit

fixed it

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Originally Posted by uh-oh

and just support someone who is much more centrist.

a centrist won't win vs trump, people want change.

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Originally Posted by boof

a centrist won't win vs trump, people want change.

the people who are desperate for change are the far left. but there are plenty of people who would vote for trump over these far left politicians, that could be swayed to a more centrist candidate over trump. basically itd be easier to appeal to the other side if they didn't have such radical standpoints.

no conservative leaning person will ever vote against their leanings just to stick it to trump. at best they wont vote. the left needs to actually take votes from trump. the only hope at that is a centrist position

im also disappointed you put so much sway into these polls when they are consistently meaningless, espescially when one candidate is portrayed as a racist misogynist xenophobic incompetent buffoon, even if you do support him you won't do so openly for fear of being seen as what the media has consistently tried to portray them as. blind hateful dullards.

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Originally Posted by uh-oh

the people who are desperate for change are the far left. but there are plenty of people who would vote for trump over these far left politicians, that could be swayed to a more centrist candidate over trump. basically itd be easier to appeal to the other side if they didn't have such radical standpoints.

no conservative leaning person will ever vote against their leanings just to stick it to trump. at best they wont vote. the left needs to actually take votes from trump. the only hope at that is a centrist position

im also disappointed you put so much sway into these polls when they are consistently meaningless, espescially when one candidate is portrayed as a racist misogynist xenophobic incompetent buffoon, even if you do support him you won't do so openly for fear of being seen as what the media has consistently tried to portray them as. blind hateful dullards.

1 - people desperate for change are not confined to the far left. the "far left" are people that understand and support the policies on the table that actually help the desperation in this country. msm has told the middle and right these policies are radical and communist and blah blah because those are media companies owned by the industries that will lose profit if implemented. people are desperate for change on the left and the right(hence trump). the middle is fine with the status quo because they are typically middle class and don't understand what's happening because they are glued to msnbc. if what you're saying is true about trump vs. radical left, then biden would be smooth sailing, but he's not because his policy stances do not resonate. to be clear, no one running is radical left. bernie is the furthest, and he is just simply left. it only feels radical because the national spectrum has been pulled to the right over the last 20 years.

2 - i disagree centrism is the only way to take votes from the right. but truthfully the focus is probably more on the third of the electorate that didn't vote last time. the goal is more so to get those people involved. but like i said, bernie did a town hall on fox news, ripping into trump, announcing that he would take on big pharma, the military industrial complex, fight for medicare for all. he got a standing ovation. left & right agree on a lot of those issues.

3 - polls are polls. they are the opinions of people polled at that time. nobody is afraid to give support to trump in a poll lol, it's anonymous. but usually the polls are biased against young voters and independents. i look at the demographics of each poll carefully to see if they're worth a shit or not. some of them are. some are not. the ones on tv usually are manipulated or weighted in certain directions, usually old, likely voters.

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Originally Posted by boof

1 - people desperate for change are not confined to the far left. the "far left" are people that understand and support the policies on the table that actually help the desperation in this country. msm has told the middle and right these policies are radical and communist and blah blah because those are media companies owned by the industries that will lose profit if implemented. people are desperate for change on the left and the right(hence trump). the middle is fine with the status quo because they are typically middle class and don't understand what's happening because they are glued to msnbc. if what you're saying is true about trump vs. radical left, then biden would be smooth sailing, but he's not because his policy stances do not resonate. to be clear, no one running is radical left. bernie is the furthest, and he is just simply left. it only feels radical because the national spectrum has been pulled to the right over the last 20 years.

2 - i disagree centrism is the only way to take votes from the right. but truthfully the focus is probably more on the third of the electorate that didn't vote last time. the goal is more so to get those people involved. but like i said, bernie did a town hall on fox news, ripping into trump, announcing that he would take on big pharma, the military industrial complex, fight for medicare for all. he got a standing ovation. left & right agree on a lot of those issues.

3 - polls are polls. they are the opinions of people polled at that time. nobody is afraid to give support to trump in a poll lol, it's anonymous. but usually the polls are biased against young voters and independents. i look at the demographics of each poll carefully to see if they're worth a shit or not. some of them are. some are not. the ones on tv usually are manipulated or weighted in certain directions, usually old, likely voters.

i agree, polls are polls. complete and utter nonsense.

biden isn't the middle of the road guy, he is the establishment middle of the road guy. he's also a bumbling out of touch old perverted fool. no one likes him left right or center, other than heavily entrenched establishment dems.

the media isn't portraying the leftist candidates as radical, their policies are. they may not seem radical in another country, but in america, where there is supposed to be liberty and freedom, they are extremely radical.

there are radical viewpoints the right is for that i disagree with as well, im not attacking them like they are the only nutjobs, just pointing out your views are tinted by things you are for. you need to go after people who aren't for the things you are for. finding one thing you agree on means nothing when you are for 5 other things that they oppose more than anything.

i view myself as the center right leaning person who didn't vote, and has no interest to. the left should be catering to me. im a random middle class working stiff in a swing state. the dems are so far removed from me and others in my position it comes off like they are trying to lose on purpose

[Immolate]

Originally Posted by boof

imo bernie has a huge chance of beating trump.

how naive can you be. u sound like me & inverse when we were 15

my sweet summer child.

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Originally Posted by Immolate

how naive can you be. u sound like me & inverse when we were 15

my sweet summer child.

bruh he does better vs trump than any other dem, he beats trump in almost every poll. i just saw a poll with 60,000 people, he won 51-49. he also has more voters that would choose trump 2nd than any other dem. he went on fox news ripped into trump and got a standing ovation.

don't pretend you know what you're talking about cuz you spent a few months in michigan or w/e