Alright here's my pseudo-philosophical thought: I don't believe in truly 'free' will

[Destroyer]

Wouldn’t you simply be able to up and move to a completely new environment and thereby change your external input sources thus changing anything that may have been predetermined by biological and internal factors? I see the argument that this very choice would also be predetermined, but... what if the choice was made simply to disprove your argument? What if it was made again and again? I think free will lies in that area where we legitimately could make decisions like this. I think we do all the time.

[Sharp]

@Exis tbph I think we're talking about something else now and you lost me lol

Originally Posted by veritas

Sharp,

I have much to say about this. Would you allow it?

Of course

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Wouldn’t you simply be able to up and move to a completely new environment and thereby change your external input sources thus changing anything that may have been predetermined by biological and internal factors? I see the argument that this very choice would also be predetermined, but... what if the choice was made simply to disprove your argument? What if it was made again and again? I think free will lies in that area where we legitimately could make decisions like this. I think we do all the time.

The crux of this argument is that you can't control factors that influence that decision. I still think you could decide to change your environment, but the reasons why you decide to do so are already in place. Even if you're doing this to disprove my argument, you're making the move to disprove my argument because of who you are.

I didn't even wanna use the word 'predetermined' since it sounds like we don't have a choice. I think we can choose freely, but everything that would lead you to that choice is either already done or out of your control.

It's really a dumb little semantic gripe

[veritas]

I have figured out how to rectify Gods all knowing with human free will...and it is the deepest tenet of my remember the future tagline sir. Are you open to discussion of this?

[Sharp]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Not really though. It’s the crux of the argument of if we, in fact, do possess free will.
I feel like we do, even if I’m unprepared to make a good argument why

I think we'd agree though. I believe we have free will and the ability to make our own decisions, but every part of the equation is already in place. it's not like we're truly choosing something rather than willingly following a natural progression

Like, if you respond to this post is kind of determined by your already existing qualities/experiences and how they influence you. It's really just a semantic thing

Originally Posted by veritas

I have figured out how to rectify Gods all knowing with human free will...and it is the deepest tenet of my remember the future tagline sir. Are you open to discussion of this?

Sure, I don't know how much I can offer a discussion since I'm theorizing as an atheist language nazi, but I'd at least like to hear it

[Witty]

Originally Posted by veritas

I have figured out how to rectify Gods all knowing with human free will...and it is the deepest tenet of my remember the future tagline sir. Are you open to discussion of this?

You have figured out the answer to one of the biggest conundrums in Christianity?

I, for one, am eager to know what you have come up with.

I've come across suggestions before which I decided did not make a lot of sense.

[Ghost1]

Originally Posted by Witty

You have figured out the answer to one of the biggest conundrums in Christianity?

I, for one, am eager to know what you have come up with.

I've come across suggestions before which I decided did not make a lot of sense.

word.....I was reading DA Carson talk about Compatiblism and It was tough to swallow....though Im not sure I disagree with it

[DMS]

Originally Posted by veritas

I have figured out how to rectify Gods all knowing with human free will...and it is the deepest tenet of my remember the future tagline sir. Are you open to discussion of this?

Pretty sure Thomas Aquinas did this too. No one really says that All-knowing beings contradict free will anymore.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Wouldn’t you simply be able to up and move to a completely new environment and thereby change your external input sources thus changing anything that may have been predetermined by biological and internal factors? I see the argument that this very choice would also be predetermined, but... what if the choice was made simply to disprove your argument? What if it was made again and again? I think free will lies in that area where we legitimately could make decisions like this. I think we do all the time.

This is why the theory is baseless in the first place. Any argument against it can be “well, THAT is part of it being predetermined”. There’s no supporting evidence and it comes off as an excuse maker.