Politics!

[~RustyGunZ~]

Taxation is theft

I'll try to cover some things today if I get a chance @Sharp

Edit: but yes I'm a libertarian. Extreme one. Borderline anarchist. In an ideal world I'd be a left libertarian but people are unfortunately awful for the most part. It's why I believe socialism and communism are fairytales

[Certain]

Originally Posted by boof

you think the dnc is cool with losing millions of brand new democrats to a 3rd party that could legitimately disrupt their shot in the general election ?

I never said "cool with." The Democrats have major issues to answer. They simply are in a better position than the Republicans because they actually seem to want to admit their flaws. There's a reason Hillary Clinton has very obviously shifted left during this primary.

[boof]

Originally Posted by veritas

so, like, you don't think they would just increase their prices to still make the same (or more!) profit?

Also...are we all equal?

this seriously depends on what companies you're talking about

if it's pharmaceutical, we're trying to regulate those prices anyways since we already pay 50x more than those same companies charge in other countries.

but regardless if they can legally make their profit back then there's nothing wrong with that, we're just trying to get the tax money that they owe to put towards things that are beneficial to the majority of the country.

bernie wants to:

-end a rule allowing American corporations to defer paying federal income taxes on profits of offshore subsidiaries.

-prevent corporations from avoiding U.S. taxes by claiming to be a foreign company through the establishment of a post office box in a tax-haven country

-eliminate tax breaks for big oil, gas, and coal companies.
stop American companies from avoiding U.S. taxes through corporate inversions.

-close loopholes that allow U.S. corporations to artificially inflate or accelerate foreign tax credits

implementing these effectively saves $100 billion a year, minimum



are we all equal? what are you trying to bait me into, ask what you mean

[~RustyGunZ~]

And how is he going to accomplish that boof?

If he gets into office (despite being the best option, he won't ) the most he is going to do is pass maybeeee one bill that kind of somewhat helps for a month before those corporations find a new way to hide their money

[veritas]

Originally Posted by boof

this seriously depends on what companies you're talking about

if it's pharmaceutical, we're trying to regulate those prices anyways since we already pay 50x more than those same companies charge in other countries.

but regardless if they can legally make their profit back then there's nothing wrong with that, we're just trying to get the tax money that they owe to put towards things that are beneficial to the majority of the country.

bernie wants to:

-end a rule allowing American corporations to defer paying federal income taxes on profits of offshore subsidiaries.

-prevent corporations from avoiding U.S. taxes by claiming to be a foreign company through the establishment of a post office box in a tax-haven country

-eliminate tax breaks for big oil, gas, and coal companies.
stop American companies from avoiding U.S. taxes through corporate inversions.

-close loopholes that allow U.S. corporations to artificially inflate or accelerate foreign tax credits

implementing these effectively saves $100 billion a year, minimum



are we all equal? what are you trying to bait me into, ask what you mean

is it possible that just one of these "corporations" either directly or indirectly funded the Bern's campaign? Also...if you were a corporation and you needed to legally make more profit, what would you do?

Forget what I said about the equal thing. But that in the back of your mind. Depending on how indoctrinated you are to the agenda we may not make it that far.

[boof]

@Knucklehead if you're referring to congress not letting him get these things done, we know that we have to vote new members of congress in. we know 88% of congress is up for re-election, and we know if we show up and vote like we are for bernie, we can give him the supporting cast he needs, hopefully. new loopholes will not be easy to find with a guy this passionate about this specific issue. he's been talking about it on the floor of congressional meetings for 25 years. given the chance to change it, i know he'll fight tooth & nail, and that's all i can ask in a president.
@veritas one of these corporations that he's shone the spotlight on for dodging taxes? funding his campaign? no. go look at his donors. the only companies involved that have been known to dodge taxes is apple and amazon, but the only donations came from individuals, not their PAC, and both of those companies have agreed to pay their taxes as of october 15'

& to the second question, corporations aren't people. but obviously there's only three ways, make a cheaper product, raise your prices, or cut jobs.

[uh-oh]

yea booth i enjoy your VIGOR and hopefullness, its whats kept bernie going this long, i just don't see it happening.

not the him getting stuff done thing, because none of them are gonna get a 10th of what they want done, done, but him coming anywhere near the presidency

also i completely disagree with everything you are with in regards to bernie

i think closing loopholes and shit is good, but not raising taxes and everything else on corporations. i like having a job.

i'm part of the uneducated white male workforce which is what is under fire and affected by all these things. i'm one of the lucky ones who has a solid steady job. but countless others dont. and closing down the only corporations that give us jobs and thinking we'll just go into infrastructure and renewable shit is nonsense. espescially when you consider the fact most of that will be union, its next to impossible to get into unions unless you know people, then you gotta pay exorbitant dues for the right to work etc, and the rest are city/government related jobs which are the death of america

we need less government booth. more freedom.

so like i said im with closing loopholes, but that in itself will be disasterous enough on employers creating jobs.

and im sure diode or one of you self proclaimed economists will come in and state how making it easy on corporations and business owners doesnt actually help create jobs but just shut up.

i'm in the rust belt. i've watched the jobs leave. ive spent the years searching for a job with nothing but subway and mcdonalds there to give you something when 40 years ago i couldve got into timken steel, republic steel, etc. good paying jobs for the uneducated.

thats disappeared because its impossible for a corporation to make money so they have to move over seas.

i don't know the answer but lets just chill on taxing and creating more ways for the government to misuse that tax money. lets just cut government spending maybe? and let the free market do what it does.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by boof

@Knucklehead if you're referring to congress not letting him get these things done, we know that we have to vote new members of congress in. we know 88% of congress is up for re-election, and we know if we show up and vote like we are for bernie, we can give him the supporting cast he needs, hopefully. new loopholes will not be easy to find with a guy this passionate about this specific issue. he's been talking about it on the floor of congressional meetings for 25 years. given the chance to change it, i know he'll fight tooth & nail, and that's all i can ask in a president.
@veritas one of these corporations that he's shone the spotlight on for dodging taxes? funding his campaign? no. go look at his donors. the only companies involved that have been known to dodge taxes is apple and amazon, but the only donations came from individuals, not their PAC, and both of those companies have agreed to pay their taxes as of october 15'

& to the second question, corporations aren't people. but obviously there's only three ways, make a cheaper product, raise your prices, or cut jobs.

So...those individuals have NO interest in preserving the status quo? doth they wish to cut off their noses to spite their face?

Nextly: Corporations are made up of people, and are considered a person in the eyes of the legal system, friend. which leads to my grand point: IF Bernie does do these things which harm the corporations profits (whether righteously earned or not) and they do one of those 3 things to keep their profits.....does that not end up hurting the very people he said he is trying to help?


Boof, Socialism is the economic arm of communism...and I hate to sound cliche, but it only looks good on paper. That is why cubans escape cuba to come to america, and not vice versa.

can we agree on this point?

[Diode]

lol @ talking about fairytales and still spouting the same old tired trickle down economics and reagan era corporate welfare plans

i haven't caught up on the rest of this thread but this is drunken uncle facebook thread level shenanigans.

[Diode]

Originally Posted by veritas

So...those individuals have NO interest in preserving the status quo? doth they wish to cut off their noses to spite their face?

Nextly: Corporations are made up of people, and are considered a person in the eyes of the legal system, friend. which leads to my grand point: IF Bernie does do these things which harm the corporations profits (whether righteously earned or not) and they do one of those 3 things to keep their profits.....does that not end up hurting the very people he said he is trying to help?


Boof, Socialism is the economic arm of communism...and I hate to sound cliche, but it only looks good on paper. That is why cubans escape cuba to come to america, and not vice versa.

can we agree on this point?

what a gross misunderstanding of what the (still awful, ridiculous) citizens united ruling means. i can't even.

[NYCSPITZ]

LOL diode thinks he's smart hahaha lmaoooo

Any Jackass with an annoying loud demeanor can do PHONE SALES guess that doesn't mean they know jack shit LOLOL

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Diode

what a gross misunderstanding of what the (still awful, ridiculous) citizens united ruling means. i can't even.

You have an agenda. So you are blind to the truth and facts and common sense.

[Diode]

Originally Posted by NYCSPITZ

LOL diode thinks he's smart hahaha lmaoooo

Any Jackass with an annoying loud demeanor can do PHONE SALES guess that doesn't mean they know jack shit LOLOL

i think you are confusing me with destro.

[NYCSPITZ]

yeah probably. Nevermind then.

[Diode]

Originally Posted by veritas

You have an agenda. So you are blind to the truth and facts and common sense.

her death was a top 5 celebration all time up there with nancy.

what a vapid cunt. ask anyone from england.

also, i'll just leave this here. the america you want to "make great again" had a much higher effective corporate tax rate.

[Diode]

here's another fun one from when ronnie raygun came along.



hmmm. what's wrong with this chart?

[veritas]

lol....dead at that graph. allow that to factor in what the taxes are actually going to. etc etc etc

[Diode]

hint: pay attention to the date ranges. maybe think about what happened that led to the great depression. and the bush recession.

hmmm.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Diode

here's another fun one from when ronnie raygun came along.



hmmm. what's wrong with this chart?

Common sense.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Diode

hint: pay attention to the date ranges. maybe think about what happened that led to the great depression. and the bush recession.

hmmm.

the democrats caused the housing bubble to burst bro. just saying.