a lie you hear about christianity

[Batty]

Watch how easy this is...

tell me how saying that it's treasonous is an opinion
it's a flag flown by the south while attempting to succeed from the Union, the Union which still exists today
it's the definition of treason

What you fail to realize in this is that there was no perfect North and South division like you'd like to paint it out to be, there were multiple points of view on each side. Have you ever heard of Copperheads? Fuck it, of course not... here I got you:

The Copperheads were a large faction of northern Democrats who opposed the war, demanding an immediate peace settlement. They said they wanted to restore "the Union as it was" (that is, with the South and with slavery) but they realized that the Confederacy would never voluntarily rejoin the U.S.[20] The most prominent Copperhead was Ohio's Clement L. Vallandigham, a Congressman and leader of the Democratic Party in Ohio. He was defeated in an intense election for governor in 1863. Republican prosecutors in the Midwest accused some Copperhead activists of treason in a series of trials in 1864.[21]

try this:

The confederate Congress specified that black soldiers were to receive the same pay as the white soldiers. The Union army’s black soldiers were paid less than the white soldiers. A black soldier in the Union army would have been paid $10 a month with a $3 clothing fee taken out, leaving the soldier with $7 a month. White soldiers were paid $13 a month and were not forced to pay a clothing allowance, which is almost twice as much as the black soldiers. By contrast the Confederate army paid their privates of both races $11/month until 1864. Equal pay for both races in the federal army did not come into effect until June 1864. The Confederate Army also authorized a salary for black musicians in 1862.

or maybe even this:


In 1864, the Confederate States began to abandon slavery. There are some indications that even without a war, the Confederacy would have ended slavery. Most historians believe that the Confederacy only started to abandon slavery once their defeat was imminent. If that were true then we are to believe that the CSA wanted independence more than they wanted to hold on to slavery. The CSA’s highest ranking generals, Robert E. Lee and Joseph E. Johnston were not slave holders and did not believe in slavery. And according to an 1860 census, only 31% of families owned slaves. 75% of families that owned slaves owned less than 10 and often worked beside them in the fields. The Confederate Constitution banned the overseas slave trade, and permitted Confederate states to abolish slavery within their borders if they wanted to do so. Slavery wasn’t abolished until 1868, 3 years after the war. Thus Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland and Delaware still had slaves.

My take on this is that it was Us vs Us and that is always a fail, but yeah it's no different than the division we face now with Dems vs Repubs that always has the potential to go downhill. I'm just open-minded enough to realize that politicians on both sides have similar agendas and I trust neither.

For the record, I've never cared about the Civil War, I've never been a confederate supporter in any way. I think it's stupid and it was dark times for the US as a nation but still 600,000+ people lost their lives in that war and it may mean different things to those peoples families much like the American flag does to the families of the soldiers who died in Iraq basically in a war over oil.

it's funny cuz all the people defending the fuckery are religious/southern

It's no different than a Mexican always siding with minorities tho, right?

The Founding Fathers were almost entirely non-religious, and practiced Deism, which is entirely separate from Christianity.

Would some direct quotes change your mind?

http://christianity.about.com/od/ind...ingfathers.htm

And just for the record, are you saying that the founding fathers were ok with abortion, gay marriage and transgender equality in general? I mean, we aren't even arguing if they were right or wrong, we are discussing is what their actual intentions were. I'm just saying, that it is hard to simply "amend" something that they would all be unanimously against and perhaps it should be rewritten... if you can follow this logic, I await your brilliant response.

Freedom of speech doesn't apply to private entities or privately run corporations.

If you don't like the movement behind removing what is, and always has been, a flag symbolic of white supremacy- then you should probably found a corporation that's willing to deal with the public backlash of not banning one.

Perhaps you are missing the point here???? You even touch on it in that last sentence and still miss out. It is more about the backlash itself rather than it being offensive. People are folding to political correctness more so than what they believe in. I own ZERO confederate flags, never saluted one or flown one. I felt the same exact way when ebay started banning Nazi items though, it means nothing to me but I can see the historical importance.

As far as "white supremacy" goes, at least the Confederacy was paying the black soldiers equal pay back before it was en vogue. AMIRITE?

#YesAllCops

Bold part is straight retarded dude. Tolerance is never oppression. Can you give a single example of how tolerance is oppression?

lolololol

Care to elab on the "YesAllCops"?

As for your question, sure... Over the years there have been multiple organizations founded for "equal rights" for minorities. I mean, that makes perfect sense, they actually were treated unfairly and these organizations helped level the playing field in many instances. If a person is discriminated due to their sexual orientation, there is an organization that comes in to defend their interests. If I'm black and I am racially discriminated against, I could get the NAACP involved and maybe even get my story on BET. So, tell me what happens when a white person gets discriminated against? Who do they call lol? At what point does equal rights turn into special privileges?

A lot of people don't even believe that whites can even be victims of racism tbh. They invent their own definitions of words, generally confusing stereotyping with racism the majority of the time.