Certain's thread made me wonder - Page 3

Certain · 05-11-2015, 04:52 PM

I remember thinking Theater of the Mind was pretty bad, especially for Ludacris' standards, but I haven't listened probably since a few months after it came out.

1. Call Up the Homies (Co-starring The Game & Willy NorthPole) (Produced By Clinton Sparks)
02. Do the Right Thing (Co-starring Common & Spike Lee) (Produced By 9th Wonder)
03. Everybody Hates Chris (Co-starring Chris Rock) (Produced By Don Cannon)
04. I Do It for Hip-Hop (Co-starring Nas & Jay-Z) (Produced By WYLDFYER)
05. Last of a Dying Breed (Co-starring Lil Wayne) (Produced By WYLDFYER)
06. Let’s Stay Together (Produced By DJ Paul & Juicy J)
07. MVP (Produced By DJ Premier)
08. One More Drink (Co-starring T-Pain) (Produced By Trackmasters)
09. Southern Gangsters (Co-starring Playaz Circle & Rick Ross) (Produced By STREETRUNNER)
10. Undisputed (Co-starring Floyd Mayweather Jr.) (Produced By Don Cannon)
11. What Them Girls Like (Co-starring Chris Brown & Sean Garrett) (Produced By Darkchild)
12. Wish You Would (Co-starring T.I.) (Produced By DJ Toomp)
13. Nasty Girl (Co-starring Plies & Swizz Beatz) (Produced By Swizz Beatz)

Mr. J · 05-11-2015, 10:40 PM

So is it 4 solid albums max or they have to have more than 4

Idlewild>>>

Ghost1 · 05-11-2015, 10:50 PM

They have to have made atleast 4 albums

An u have to consider every album they ever made

Buncha illiterate ass writers. Lol. The irony.

oats · 05-11-2015, 10:57 PM

Common is close, too. Universal Mind Control is kinda meh, but other than that his catalogue is on-point.

I think it's hard to define what a "bad" album is. Like, we all know one when we hear it, but harder to pinpoint what makes it shitty, and what the difference between a bad album and a decent one, etc. I've met a kid who said Encore by Eminem was his favorite album, which I think is easily his worst (and overall a legit bad album). So, there's that.

Certain · 05-11-2015, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by oats murkel

Common is close, too. Universal Mind Control is kinda meh, but other than that his catalogue is on-point.

Electric Circus and Universal Mind Control qualify as bad, I think. (I'm actually seeing a bunch of positive reviews for Electric Circus, which I think has more to do with mainstream music media not knowing how to handle rap reviews at that point in history. Universal Mind Control was panned by everyone.) I'm pretty OK with The Dreamer/The Believer and Nobody's Smiling, though my expectations were very low.

I do love Common, though. I think he's produced one classic (Resurrection), one near-classic (Be) and a bunch of really good albums.

oats · 05-11-2015, 11:09 PM

I may not have listened to Electric Circus come to think of it. I'll take your word for it.

I forgot - Pharoahe Monch is now 4 for 4 on good to great albums. This is not debatable.

Certain · 05-11-2015, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by oats murkel

I may not have listened to Electric Circus come to think of it. I'll take your word for it.

I forgot - Pharoahe Monch is now 4 for 4 on good to great albums. This is not debatable.

You want to talk about a guy who never finds beats to match his ability. I'd say all four are good but should have been great if he hadn't insisted on (been cheap in) self-producing so much.

oats · 05-11-2015, 11:12 PM

that only applies to his first album imo, which has a few misstep tracks, but overall can not be considered bad. Desire, WAR, and PTSD are all good. He was the shit in Organized Konfusion, too.

Ghost1 · 05-11-2015, 11:28 PM

No mention of like water for choc? That shit was a classic

An ptsd wack lol.

oats · 05-11-2015, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagsworth Bentley

An ptsd wack lol.

you are literally the first person I've ever heard say something less than "it's dope." what tracks do you not like? I'll listen to this shit again today, but I thought it was dope start to finish tbh.

big baby · 05-12-2015, 01:01 AM

hea we go with the nigga rap talk yawn hoo care

Fart · 05-12-2015, 04:24 AM

ATCQ

Objective · 05-12-2015, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Art

ATCQ

Word, and Jurassic 5 imo.

Fart · 05-12-2015, 06:51 AM

if groups count

oats · 05-12-2015, 07:18 AM

Royce is 4/4 too: Rock City, Death is Certain, Street Hop, and Success is Certain are all good.

veritas · 05-12-2015, 08:29 AM

How has no one said UGK?

Inno · 05-12-2015, 08:45 AM

Dam i hate to mention him but no one else has lol

Eminem?

Infinite

Slim shady lp

Marshal mathers lp

Eminem show?

Certain · 05-12-2015, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Art

ATCQ

The Love Movement was so bad they broke up over it.

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Originally Posted by Objective

Word, and Jurassic 5 imo.

Same with Feedback.

Certain · 05-12-2015, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Innovator

Dam i hate to mention him but no one else has lol

Eminem?

Infinite

Slim shady lp

Marshal mathers lp

Eminem show?

You are illiterate.

Wise Wiggles · 05-12-2015, 09:35 AM

atmosphere
brother ali

05-11-2015, 04:52 PM	#41
Certain Mad fucking dangerous. Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 12,066 Battle Record: 40-19 Champed - AOWL Season 3 - Art of Writing League (2x) Rep Power: 85899406	I remember thinking Theater of the Mind was pretty bad, especially for Ludacris' standards, but I haven't listened probably since a few months after it came out. 1. Call Up the Homies (Co-starring The Game & Willy NorthPole) (Produced By Clinton Sparks) 02. Do the Right Thing (Co-starring Common & Spike Lee) (Produced By 9th Wonder) 03. Everybody Hates Chris (Co-starring Chris Rock) (Produced By Don Cannon) 04. I Do It for Hip-Hop (Co-starring Nas & Jay-Z) (Produced By WYLDFYER) 05. Last of a Dying Breed (Co-starring Lil Wayne) (Produced By WYLDFYER) 06. Let’s Stay Together (Produced By DJ Paul & Juicy J) 07. MVP (Produced By DJ Premier) 08. One More Drink (Co-starring T-Pain) (Produced By Trackmasters) 09. Southern Gangsters (Co-starring Playaz Circle & Rick Ross) (Produced By STREETRUNNER) 10. Undisputed (Co-starring Floyd Mayweather Jr.) (Produced By Don Cannon) 11. What Them Girls Like (Co-starring Chris Brown & Sean Garrett) (Produced By Darkchild) 12. Wish You Would (Co-starring T.I.) (Produced By DJ Toomp) 13. Nasty Girl (Co-starring Plies & Swizz Beatz) (Produced By Swizz Beatz) __________________ I'm just swinging swords strictly based on keyboards, unbalanced like elephants and ants on seesaws.

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oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	Common is close, too. Universal Mind Control is kinda meh, but other than that his catalogue is on-point. I think it's hard to define what a "bad" album is. Like, we all know one when we hear it, but harder to pinpoint what makes it shitty, and what the difference between a bad album and a decent one, etc. I've met a kid who said Encore by Eminem was his favorite album, which I think is easily his worst (and overall a legit bad album). So, there's that. __________________ You should be water

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oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	I may not have listened to Electric Circus come to think of it. I'll take your word for it. I forgot - Pharoahe Monch is now 4 for 4 on good to great albums. This is not debatable. __________________ You should be water

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oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	that only applies to his first album imo, which has a few misstep tracks, but overall can not be considered bad. Desire, WAR, and PTSD are all good. He was the shit in Organized Konfusion, too. __________________ You should be water

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oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	Royce is 4/4 too: Rock City, Death is Certain, Street Hop, and Success is Certain are all good. __________________ You should be water

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