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[Witty]

@Lucos did you know prostitution is the oldest profession in the world? being a sexual object for greed is not a new thing, it is one of the oldest things humanity has done.

Also, men do exactly the same thing...why is that different?

Because you're a man?

Look at people as individuals, I know plenty of women who have raised families and been loyal wives, but if that is not what the individual wants to do, who are you to say she should? Everything is a part of nature, literally everything, so no matter who you are or what you do, you are part of nature, sexual reproduction is just part of nature, it is not all that nature is, so that argument is useless...how can something be 'against nature' when it is just another part of nature? it came from nature and is a product of nature, it may be a problem if we were under populated but we are over populated so maybe we should just let everyone live their life and not try to tell them what to do?

[Lucos]

Originally Posted by Witty Wonka

@Lucos did you know prostitution is the oldest profession in the world? being a sexual object for greed is not a new thing, it is one of the oldest things humanity has done.

Also, men do exactly the same thing...why is that different?

Because you're a man?

Look at people as individuals, I know plenty of women who have raised families and been loyal wives, but if that is not what the individual wants to do, who are you to say she should? Everything is a part of nature, literally everything, so no matter who you are or what you do, you are part of nature, sexual reproduction is just part of nature, it is not all that nature is, so that argument is useless...how can something be 'against nature' when it is just another part of nature? it came from nature and is a product of nature, it may be a problem if we were under populated but we are over populated so maybe we should just let everyone live their life and not try to tell them what to do?

i did know that. did you know that its the oldest profession in the world because prostitutes were bred to be prostitutes, by men? the old status quo was, if she's had sex before marriage she is not worthy of being a wife/mother and therefore was shunned by men, and the only way to SURVIVE was to suck dick for cash.

i'm all for letting people live their lives, but where i draw the line is when the media are throwing ideas like feminism and polygamy into the minds of impressionable young women who, given a chance under different circumstances (ie not being brainwashed) would have found a mate and raised a family, possibly even the next albert einstein.

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Lucos

i did know that. did you know that its the oldest profession in the world because prostitutes were bred to be prostitutes, by men? the old status quo was, if she's had sex before marriage she is not worthy of being a wife/mother and therefore was shunned by men, and the only way to SURVIVE was to suck dick for cash.

i'm all for letting people live their lives, but where i draw the line is when the media are throwing ideas like feminism and polygamy into the minds of impressionable young women who, given a chance under different circumstances (ie not being brainwashed) would have found a mate and raised a family, possibly even the next albert einstein.

Or they could possible have raised the next Adolf Hitler...again, your argument has a lot of holes in it.

There are plenty of men who do not settle down and have families, are they also going against nature?

Who are you to decide what constitutes nature?

Men have been fucking random women forever, why shouldn't females do the same with men? they have sexual organs just like men do, if you do not believe a God put us here your argument holds no weight because otherwise there is no other reason that men should have this sexual freedom and women should not. If your only argument is that it has always been that way, that's super dumb...it has always been that way because men were oppressive and abusive, because they do happen to be naturally stronger in most cases, but the reasoning behind it was hate and jealousy, are you suggesting we hold on to hate and jealousy after we have identified it as such? That's dumb.

[Lucos]

Originally Posted by Witty Wonka

Or they could possible have raised the next Adolf Hitler...again, your argument has a lot of holes in it.

There are plenty of men who do not settle down and have families, are they also going against nature?

Who are you to decide what constitutes nature?

Men have been fucking random women forever, why shouldn't females do the same with men? they have sexual organs just like men do, if you do not believe a God put us here your argument holds no weight because otherwise there is no other reason that men should have this sexual freedom and women should not. If your only argument is that it has always been that way, that's super dumb...it has always been that way because men were oppressive and abusive, because they do happen to be naturally stronger in most cases, but the reasoning behind it was hate and jealousy, are you suggesting we hold on to hate and jealousy after we have identified it as such? That's dumb.

i dont decide nature, nature decides nature. thats why animals behave in a certain way, every time. so my argument that things should stay as they've always been, isn't invalid. you think men are naturally stronger than women, or that women have stronger maternal instincts than men for absoluely no reason? that's stupid. it's like that because thats how we're designed as a survival mechanism. to go against that is risking fucking up the entire human race's NATURAL way of living. i never said i dont believe a god put us here, something obviously did. i dont think its some guy in the sky though. my views on that would branch out a whole threads worth of other shit.

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Lucos

i dont decide nature, nature decides nature. thats why animals behave in a certain way, every time. so my argument that things should stay as they've always been, isn't invalid. you think men are naturally stronger than women, or that women have stronger maternal instincts than men for absoluely no reason? that's stupid. it's like that because thats how we're designed as a survival mechanism. to go against that is risking fucking up the entire human race's NATURAL way of living. i never said i dont believe a god put us here, something obviously did. i dont think its some guy in the sky though. my views on that would branch out a whole threads worth of other shit.

We are surviving better than we ever have, if you haven't noticed. I think we are doing better now than at any point in history, and nature changes btw like, evolution? animals do not behave in a certain way every time, they will instinctively do what their genetic makeup tells them to do, but that does not mean there is no other way to survive, animals learn and adapt and change how they live over many years, humans are no different, we are always changing and finding new ways to do things, and some don't work but some do, so I completely disagree that we should only do what humans in the past have done...humans are the top of the food chain because we are the best at changing, at deciding to do things differently, that is a process that will run for the entirety of humanity's lifespan.

[Lucos]

Originally Posted by Witty Wonka

We are surviving better than we ever have, if you haven't noticed. I think we are doing better now than at any point in history, and nature changes btw like, evolution? animals do not behave in a certain way every time, they will instinctively do what their genetic makeup tells them to do, but that does not mean there is no other way to survive, animals learn and adapt and change how they live over many years, humans are no different, we are always changing and finding new ways to do things, and some don't work but some do, so I completely disagree that we should only do what humans in the past have done...humans are the top of the food chain because we are the best at changing, at deciding to do things differently, that is a process that will run for the entirety of humanity's lifespan.

why are we doing better than we've ever done tho? because men invented computers. flight. space travel. machinery. do you know how we managed this? because at a point in time we were raised right. by women.

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Lucos

why are we doing better than we've ever done tho? because men invented computers. flight. space travel. machinery. do you know how we managed this? because at a point in time we were raised right. by women.

Many great people did not have mothers in their lives, or had abusive mothers and went on to do great things, so again, kind of a weak point.