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[Sharp]

Originally Posted by theMuzzl3

jazz is a wide variety of things. My favorite to play and hear is 'free jazz'.

tell me more of this 'free jazz'

Originally Posted by Certain

I prefer expensive fusion.

fucking el oh el

[theMuzzl3]

Originally Posted by Sharp Nine

tell me more of this 'free jazz'



fucking el oh el

free jazz is where basically all of the musicians communicate through their instruments, and talk to each other... like a language. Most of them already know what each other are going to play through repetition, but if someone throws something unexpected out... the other musicians respond and build off of that. Of course, it sucks if one or two of the musicians do not know how to jam. I guess you could call it "jam band" style jazz. I did a bit of that back in Vegas with the oldschool blues cats. They called it open jam night.

[Sharp]

Originally Posted by theMuzzl3

free jazz is where basically all of the musicians communicate through their instruments, and talk to each other... like a language. Most of them already know what each other are going to play through repetition, but if someone throws something unexpected out... the other musicians respond and build off of that.

So how is that different from other forms of jazz

[theMuzzl3]

Originally Posted by Sharp Nine

So how is that different from other forms of jazz

A lot of jazz is pre-written, meaning the songs have been written and performed as per the way they were lain out.

Free form jazz is similar, in the manner that musicians can use the classical bass lines, solo's and over all structure, but its a free for all --- its a jam session where its kind of like call & response. Its funny though, if someone fucks up and hits the wrong key like super loud and does a whole knew riff by mistake, than skilled musicians can go back to the riff they were on and mesh them together, as if it was on purpose.

[Sharp]

Originally Posted by theMuzzl3

A lot of jazz is pre-written, meaning the songs have been written and performed as per the way they were lain out.

Free form jazz is similar, in the manner that musicians can use the classical bass lines, solo's and over all structure, but its a free for all --- its a jam session where its kind of like call & response. Its funny though, if someone fucks up and hits the wrong key like super loud and does a whole knew riff by mistake, than skilled musicians can go back to the riff they were on and mesh them together, as if it was on purpose.

so this was mostly pre-written? because there's no way this is free-form since there is a form and harmony that goes with it




also what is a classical bass line

[theMuzzl3]

Originally Posted by Sharp Nine

so this was mostly pre-written? because there's no way this is free-form since there is a form and harmony that goes with it

yeah, the link with Jeff Beck and Tal Wilkenfeld is pretty close to pre-written... but you can tell the difference between her solo in the small stage act vs the big crowd (it was even shorter /w the big crowd). Also, Jeff Beck does a lot of harmonics on the guitar which are hard to replicate.

I mean, I can play 1,4,5 on the keys, on any note... but when you bring feeling into the music, its a whole nother story.

To add a further reply (edit), form and harmony do go with free form jazz, it just allows the players more freedom of expression IMO. You'd have to see some really good free jazz jams to understand... my words can't say shit.

One band (whom the leader of the band, I jammed with Elvis jazz jam on tuesdays a few times) is Uberschall. Six dudes from the blueman group, and 3 drum sets set up in front of the 2 guitar & 1 bass amp (very unique set up). Watching the band live with the drummers flowing back and forth is a life changing event (if you like jazz, but you might need earplugs).

Free form doesn't mean no form. IMHO, it just means more freedom within communicating with the other musicians, within some form.

Originally Posted by Sharp Nine

also what is a classical bass line

Classical bass line, I can say very little about. I never studied classical music all though I appreciate a lot of it. I'd guess that its played within a written structure, and the medium thats playing the bass has a small ability to add their own playing style to it.

A video of Evelyn Glennie explaining sound and structure, and freedom of expression... says a lot. I'll dig up the link just in case you're willing to view it, but its quite long.... maybe I'll point out the (minute:seconds) marks that you should check out.