veritas

[Destroyer]

god as a concept is solid
the judeo-Christian god... not so much
sadly, I think that god is too small for this universe we occupy

[Witty]

I don't think God as a concept is all that solid at all tbh it is just something that as of yet has not been disproven, I don't write off the idea of God completely, but being a man of logic I do not see how the God of Christianity and The Theory of Evolution can go hand in hand, so I go with the one for which there is evidence.

God as a concept is really all God is, a concept...an idea, something that only exists because it can not be disproven. Evolution and God are not equal, there is evidence for evolution...it is accepted as fact and rightly so. Even if you do not believe evolution occured, this does not mean God exists as Veritas is trying to imply...evolution being disproven (if such a thing were to happen) would not validate the existence of God in any way, it would still only be a concept, because there is no proof.

[Witty]

Also, it always concerns me that Christians and other religions seem to think of science as some evil thing that is out to attack their faith...science is not a belief system, it was not set up to destroy faith but to answer the questions of our existence based on evidence from the natural world, it just so happens that the evidence which was found contradicts certain things in those religions that there is no evidence for.

They are not opposites of each other, they are not even related to each other at all...Religion is based on faith and spirituality, which is cool...believe what you want, but don't assume to know better than those who can actually demonstrate and show evidence for their theories.

[Split]

like most mainstream artists, religious organizations have to conform to what they believe most people want... their only purpose is self-preservation.

people don't realize that this stretches back to like, the dawn of civilization lol.


but like, the very core of the idea of God- is that there is some force that brings order out of chaos, which is the natural state of the universe. that's interesting to me.

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Split Eight

like most mainstream artists, religious organizations have to conform to what they believe most people want... their only purpose is self-preservation.

people don't realize that this stretches back to like, the dawn of civilization lol.


but like, the very core of the idea of God- is that there is some force that brings order out of chaos, which is the natural state of the universe. that's interesting to me.

Maybe God is time.

[Destroyer]

yeah, but even science has a limit
we can't see past the Big Bang, so we have to assume that something was the initial cause.
not much other than god fits that bill

[Split]

Originally Posted by Witty

Maybe God is time.

Maybe, I dunno


My personal opinion is that all of these things are super interesting but ultimately meaningless and a waste of time


more on the earliest forms of life


EDIT: nvm that dude was a crackpot

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

yeah, but even science has a limit
we can't see past the Big Bang, so we have to assume that something was the initial cause.
not much other than god fits that bill

That isn't science tho...that is speculation based on nothing.

It is more scientific to say 'As of right now, we do not know' than to say 'It must have been God'

We do not have to assume anything, we just have to keep looking for the answer, and until then, admit we don't know. As I said, there is no shame for a scientist to say he does not know something, because science is a gradual process of collecting evidence and forming theories...we are a young species and it would be stupid to expect us to have all the answers right now...but that goes no way in validating the existence of God.

That is the god of the gaps...and as time goes on, there will be less and less gaps for that God to fit in.

[Witty]

Also, the big bang is the limit at the moment.

At one time we thought the edge of earth was the limit, then we thought it was the edge of the solar system, then it was the edge of the galaxy, then it was the edge of our cluster of galaxies, then we found even more galaxy clusters...then we found superclusters....it is a process of learning.

[Destroyer]

why are you talking to me like you disagree with me?
we're on the same page
but the idea of god is pretty big and fits into a lot of areas since we know so little about them anyway
I'm not saying it's not a naive direction to go in, but I sadly don't think we will ever advance enough to go in another one

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Hush

This is the issue
Ur faith blinds u



I'm not saying I know god don't exist
I'm I am open to him existing

I am open to him not

I am inclined to him not


U blindly follow cuz u were raised to
Cuz it gives u comfort
Quiets ur fears



Pussy

WRONG. I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC AND HATED IT. I STUDIED THE BIBLE TO DISPROVE IT. IT OVERTOOK ME.

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

why are you talking to me like you disagree with me?
we're on the same page
but the idea of god is pretty big and fits into a lot of areas since we know so little about them anyway
I'm not saying it's not a naive direction to go in, but I sadly don't think we will ever advance enough to go in another one

It's because I do disagree in this instance, that we have reached our scientific limit...that's absurd to me tbh

In 1901 a man was quoted to have said 'Everything that will be invented has been invented'....that was before cars, before planes, before computers etc etc

I believe the only thing that limits us is our belief that a limit even exists.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Witty

That isn't science tho...that is speculation based on nothing.

It is more scientific to say 'As of right now, we do not know' than to say 'It must have been God'

We do not have to assume anything, we just have to keep looking for the answer, and until then, admit we don't know. As I said, there is no shame for a scientist to say he does not know something, because science is a gradual process of collecting evidence and forming theories...we are a young species and it would be stupid to expect us to have all the answers right now...but that goes no way in validating the existence of God.

That is the god of the gaps...and as time goes on, there will be less and less gaps for that God to fit in.

DUDE YOUR SCIENTISTS LIKE RICHARD DAWKINGS KNOW NOTHING OF CERTAINTY EXECPT THAT IT CANT BE GOD. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. HE IS NOT ALONE.

[Destroyer]

I'm talking about the limit as to how far back to the beginning we can see
there most certainly is a limit - it's the Big Bang
I don't think it's possible to surpass this limit, unless we are mistaken about the essence of the big bang

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Witty

Also, it always concerns me that Christians and other religions seem to think of science as some evil thing that is out to attack their faith...science is not a belief system, it was not set up to destroy faith but to answer the questions of our existence based on evidence from the natural world, it just so happens that the evidence which was found contradicts certain things in those religions that there is no evidence for.

They are not opposites of each other, they are not even related to each other at all...Religion is based on faith and spirituality, which is cool...believe what you want, but don't assume to know better than those who can actually demonstrate and show evidence for their theories.

CHRISTIANS ARE NOT AGAINST SCIENCE. CARL BALL, ISAAC NEWTON, ETC ETC ETC.

YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE. YOU THINK YOU DO.

THERE IS MORE EVIDENCE OF AN ORDER TO THE UNIVERSE THAN ANYTHING.

THERE IS JUST AS MUCH IF NOT MORE ENTHALPY THAN ENTROPY.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

god as a concept is solid
the judeo-Christian god... not so much
sadly, I think that god is too small for this universe we occupy

I CAN WORK WITH THIS, IT IS SOMEWHAT REASONABLE...ELABORATE.

[Destroyer]

it assumes that earth is the only place where life exists, which is just blatantly dumb, if you have any inkling of the size of our universe
to put it plainly, we are too small for a god of that entire existence to even be aware of us.

[Destroyer]

it would be like me caring about the bacterium in my shit

[veritas]

ITT: DESTROYER AND WITTY DISAGREE ABOUT THEIR BELIEFS AS WELL.

CMON TEAM! PULL TOGHETER IT IS JUST ONE MAN YOU ARE UP AGAINST.

[Witty]

Veritas trying so hard right now.