veritas

[Witty]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM?

Where did God come from?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Witty

I have seen proof of evolution....what do you think fossils are lmao

I stated I do not know the common ancestor between humans and other great apes, I have seen plenty of evidence that we evolved from apes tho, the fossil records, there are literally thousands, the fact that we share DNA and so many traits that are not found in any creatures other than great apes...evolution is fact, it happens. I don't know that some sort of super natural power didn't put all of this in to motion, but I have seen no evidence to suggest it did so why would I take it seriously? I do KNOW that an interventionist God such as the one you suscribe to does not exist, because the books that were written about him have been proven to be scientifically baseless...they are fairy tales, you believe in children's stories and myths.

Basically....I could say Harry Potter created the universe and I would have as much 'evidence' to show for that belief as you do for your belief in God...a book, nothing more.

in this post:

witty states that a theory is a fact. witty forgets that ALL fossils only come from the top layer of the earths crust....which is shady.

he doesn't know if a supernatural power but all this into motion because he hasn't seen it....but he hasn't seen evolution.....where is the missing link. show me proof of one person ever showing proof of one thing ever changing genetically from one creature to another ever in time.

I will wait.


just have faith.....like you do that we evolved from great apes.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Witty

Where did God come from?

where did the bacteria come from?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

The word 'evolution' just means *change to the genetics of a population over time*. So dog breeding is absolutely an example of evolution in action.

More specifically, it is the act of humans *manipulating* evolution by controlling the reproductive environment.

So if one were to design a *scientific experiment* to test the theory of evolution by natural selection, it would look like this:
1. Pick a species and divide it up into separated populations.
2. Subject each sub-population to different selective pressures. I.e. pick certain traits that determine which individuals get to reproduce more.
3. Allow this to continue for many generations.

If the theory of evolution by natural selection is false ... then there would be no visible changes to the population even over many generations.

If the theory of evolution by natural selection is true ... then the different populations will show noticeable differences in their physical traits ... traits that continue to be passed on through inheritance.

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People who reply that "a dog is still a dog" are MISSING THE POINT!

Dog breeding demonstrates conclusively that genetics can change *dramatically* in even a tiny amount of geologic time, if there is a strong enough selective pressure.

That IS evolution, as defined by the people (i.e. scientists) who support it.

It is irrelevant how people who *disagree* with evolution want to re-define the word 'evolution' in order to reject it. What matters is how people who *accept* evolution define the concept THEY THEMSELVES ACCEPT!

So dog breeding demonstrates EVOLUTION IN ACTION ... as the word 'evolution' is defined by those who accept it as a fundamental principle of biology.

Dog breeding is an *EXPERIMENT* that confirms the basic principles of the theory.

It demonstrates conclusively that even a short amount of time can produce a significant amount of evolution *if the selective pressure is strong enough*.

So this explains why HUGE amounts of time can produce HUGE amounts of evolution ... if there is *selection*!

Dog breeding explains why this *can* happen. But that is not the only evidence that it *has* happened. That is where all the other evidence (fossils, DNA, proteins, genes, embyology, morphology, biogeography, etc. etc.) comes into play.


People who oppose evolution can't just separate *cause* from *effect*, by fiat.

Selection is the cause. Evolution is the effect. You can't just declare by fiat that X amount of evolution is a reasonable effect, but 2X or 100X amount of evolution is not.

in this post: DESTORYER PROVES HE DOES NOT READ MY POSTS WHERE I SAID EARLIER THAT "THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION AS I AM TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS SELECTIVE ADAPTATION THROUGH GENETIC TRAIT ENGENEERING...LIKE MENDEL'S PEA PODS.

COULD A FISH EVER TURN INTO A BIRD JUDE?

[Destroyer]

you didn't read it, or you'd have read this part

"It is irrelevant how people who *disagree* with evolution want to re-define the word 'evolution' in order to reject it. What matters is how people who *accept* evolution define the concept THEY THEMSELVES ACCEPT!"

[Witty]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

where did the bacteria come from?

I don't know...yet.

As I said it is a coninual process of learning and understanding.

Your belief is not, your belief says 'This is how it was, how it is, and how it always will be'

So you should be able to tell me where God came from.

Why did your God create so many other galaxies?

Why did your God leave dinosaur fossils and not mention them in the bible?

Why did your God leave evidence of evolution on the earth he created so that one day it could lead people to not believe his word?

Why did your God provide an innacurate portrayal of the movement of planets and stars?

Why did your God say the world was flat when it isn't?

Why did your God say everything that exists on earth has always existed in this way since being created by God when there is living evidence of animals evolving to suit their surroundings?

I think you will find there are a lot more questions you can not answer than there are questions science can not answer.

You laugh at others for believing something there is plenty of physical evidence for, yet you provide no argument as to why your belief should be taken seriously...you have a faith based on nothing other than a book...that's all you got.

[millz]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

WRONG AGAIN.

YOU SHOULD LEAVE THE THREAD BECAUSE THE OTHER EVOLUTIONIST WITTY SAID THAT YOU WERE WRONG AND I DON'T WANT YALL TO ARUGE ABOUT WHO IS RIGHT.

I AM SAYING THAT WE ARE ONLY GIVEN 2 CHOICES: GOD OR EVOLUTION. AND EVERYTHING YOU SAY I USE TO BELIEVE MY BELIEFS AND MAKE FUN OF....YOU DO THE SAME THING.

THE KILL IS THAT NONE OF YOU KNOW HOW, WHERE, WHEN, AND WHY, ANY OF THIS LIFE CAME TO BE....BUT IT CAN'T BE GOD!@@@@

RIOJAEOIJK;LAFJK;LGJK;LAJRLKGJKLRJK;GLA.

AGENDA2014

Where did witty say I was wrong?

There is a huge difference between believing in evolution and believing in creation as the bible define it's. The universe was not created in 6 days. Adam didn't appear from nowhere and eve didn't come from his rib.

You can absolutely believe in evolution and believe in god. I am one of those that believe in both. The theory of evolution at this point isn't traceable all the way back to its origin. But there is millions of years of data that has been proof of its existence and everyday more and more proof is found. Whereas the story of creation in the bible is based EXACTLY ZERO proof. It's based upon the lack of proof by definition. There is tons of proof supporting evolution. There is not 1 ounce of proof for the creation story of the bible.

[Witty]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

in this post: DESTORYER PROVES HE DOES NOT READ MY POSTS WHERE I SAID EARLIER THAT "THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION AS I AM TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS SELECTIVE ADAPTATION THROUGH GENETIC TRAIT ENGENEERING...LIKE MENDEL'S PEA PODS.

COULD A FISH EVER TURN INTO A BIRD JUDE?

The fact you think fish turned into birds shows a basic misunderstanding of evolution.

You shouldn't argue about things when you clearly have no understanding of them, I have an extensive understanding of numerous religions and don't believe any of them, but I know that I have to understand what they teach otherwise how can I argue against them?

I am willing to bet I know much more about your book than you do, so please, read up on evolution as then come back to me.

[Split]

Looool

Gone @ the only two options for the origins of life being evolution and God

Gone @ God and evolution not being compatible


Gonegonegonegone @ anyone combing the bible or scientific principles for knowledge to justify their life philosophy

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Witty

I don't know...yet.

As I said it is a coninual process of learning and understanding.

Your belief is not, your belief says 'This is how it was, how it is, and how it always will be'

So you should be able to tell me where God came from.

Why did your God create so many other galaxies?

Why did your God leave dinosaur fossils and not mention them in the bible?

Why did your God leave evidence of evolution on the earth he created so that one day it could lead people to not believe his word?

Why did your God provide an innacurate portrayal of the movement of planets and stars?

Why did your God say the world was round when it isn't?

Why did your God say everything that exists on earth has always existed in this way since being created by God when there is living evidence of animals evolving to suit their surroundings?

I think you will find there are a lot more questions you can not answer than there are questions science can not answer.

You laugh at others for believing something there is plenty of physical evidence for, yet you provide no argument as to why your belief should be taken seriously...you have a faith based on nothing other than a book...that's all you got.

EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID WAS WRONG. DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT GOD SAID THE EARTH WAS ROUND WHEN IT WASNT. THE BIBLE SAID TEH EARTH WAS ROUND 1000S OF YEARS BEFORE YOUR "SCIENTISTS" DISCOVERED OTHERWISE....THEY STILL THOUGHT IT WAS FLAT.

YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOURSELF. YOU ARE BLINDED BY AN AGENDA.

I KEEP ON BRINGING IT UP TO GET YOU TO SEE: WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM? YOU DO NOT KNOW. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT GOD MADE IT?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Split Eight

Looool

Gone @ the only two options for the origins of life being evolution and God

Gone @ God and evolution not being compatible


Gonegonegonegone @ anyone combing the bible or scientific principles for knowledge to justify their life philosophy

THIS IS HALF OF MY POINT.

[Destroyer]

lol @ you thinking you know what the bible said 1000 years ago

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Witty

The fact you think fish turned into birds shows a basic misunderstanding of evolution.

You shouldn't argue about things when you clearly have no understanding of them, I have an extensive understanding of numerous religions and don't believe any of them, but I know that I have to understand what they teach otherwise how can I argue against them?

I am willing to bet I know much more about your book than you do, so please, read up on evolution as then come back to me.

WAIT A MINUTE...YOUR PROPHET RICHARD DAWKINS GOT ON BILL MAHER AND SAID THAT WE ALL DESCENED FROM AFRICAN APES..THEN AT ANOTHER DATE GOT ON THERE AND SAID WE ALL DESCENDED FROM FISH.

CMON NOW MAN....YOU OBV NEED TO STUDY YOUR OWN HOLY AUTHORS MORE FULLY BEFORE YOU TRY AND CONVERT A HEATHEN LIKE MYSELF. ROFLAJE;LJLAKJLDFKJLAKJDLFJASL;F

[veritas]

Originally Posted by millz

Where did witty say I was wrong?

There is a huge difference between believing in evolution and believing in creation as the bible define it's. The universe was not created in 6 days. Adam didn't appear from nowhere and eve didn't come from his rib.

You can absolutely believe in evolution and believe in god. I am one of those that believe in both. The theory of evolution at this point isn't traceable all the way back to its origin. But there is millions of years of data that has been proof of its existence and everyday more and more proof is found. Whereas the story of creation in the bible is based EXACTLY ZERO proof. It's based upon the lack of proof by definition. There is tons of proof supporting evolution. There is not 1 ounce of proof for the creation story of the bible.

PALONIUM HALOS ARE ALL THE PROOF I NEED.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

lol @ you thinking you know what the bible said 1000 years ago

I DO. BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN CARRIED DOWN AND PRESERVED....AT LEAST THE KJV HAS.

[Destroyer]

hey veritas, does god see evil go on and is just not powerful enough to stop it?
then he's not omniscient.
or does he just not care?
then he's not omnipotent.

[veritas]

LUKE 2115

For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

THANK YOU JESUS REAL TALK.

[Witty]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID WAS WRONG. DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT GOD SAID THE EARTH WAS ROUND WHEN IT WASNT. THE BIBLE SAID TEH EARTH WAS ROUND 1000S OF YEARS BEFORE YOUR "SCIENTISTS" DISCOVERED OTHERWISE....THEY STILL THOUGHT IT WAS FLAT.

YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOURSELF. YOU ARE BLINDED BY AN AGENDA.

I KEEP ON BRINGING IT UP TO GET YOU TO SEE: WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM? YOU DO NOT KNOW. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT GOD MADE IT?

I said round by mistake, edited before your post.

Also, scientists never thought the world was flat, or at least it was never the popular consensus whereas your book says...and I quote...

Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.”

----- Impossible is the earth is round

Isaiah 11:12 "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." As with the Daniel quote, this cannot be taken literally; the events described in Revelation are a series of visions, rather than an accurate description of the world. So that's, um, one flat earth claim.

Now answer my other questions.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

hey veritas, does god see evil go on and is just not powerful enough to stop it?
then he's not omniscient.
or does he just not care?
then he's not omnipotent.

DO NOT BRING YOUR BEEF WITH GOD INTO THE THREAD WHERE YOU ARE TRYING TO DISPROVE HIM ROJAFLJDK;LAJKLFDJKLFJ;AKLJ;LFAJDL

[Destroyer]

that's called a fallacy, not a belief
your god, the way you define him, by definition cannot exist
idiot