I got one friend whos a sports fan

...the Nagger · 11-06-2013, 12:47 PM

He uses stats as his end all

like for instance "Iverson got steals! he played defense."

we don't argue much, I only like arguing with sports fans

PancakeBrah · 11-06-2013, 12:52 PM

You can't quantify defense in basketball. Some advance metrics try to but they're still flawed. You have to actually watch the player on d, including off ball, and realize what his role in the system is to judge their defense.

That's a perfect example of stats not painting the full picture.

Stats can be valuable in a lot of cases though.

...the Nagger · 11-06-2013, 12:53 PM

valuable of course

the problem is when people think stats are the bible

Frank Metts · 11-06-2013, 01:55 PM

Iverson got a ton of steals because he played top key zone or box in one when he was always on the ball but he had that first step that was unreal esp in his younger years plus dudes would try to cross him up and you just couldn't early in his career ... One dude on every team thought they could out dribble dude and it just led to a lot of sloppy play and AI benefitting from it.

But yeah D isn't something you have to watch but something that some players get overlooked on because of stats ... Lebron blocks shots you can read about it in a stat sheet but you just don't know how well he does it unless you watch him recover chase someone down from behind and throw that shit against the backboard

DLB · 11-06-2013, 02:11 PM

AI was the god of handles in his prime

& word at the lebron blocking shit, he can straight up block niggas like he did against splitter in the finals but he usually does a chasedown

11-06-2013, 12:47 PM	#1
...the Nagger Junior Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 2,856 Battle Record: 4-4 Rep Power: 15781387	I got one friend whos a sports fan He uses stats as his end all like for instance "Iverson got steals! he played defense." we don't argue much, I only like arguing with sports fans

11-06-2013, 12:52 PM	#2
PancakeBrah SOBER Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 12,480 Battle Record: 2-5 Champed - AOWL Season 2 Rep Power: 85899407	You can't quantify defense in basketball. Some advance metrics try to but they're still flawed. You have to actually watch the player on d, including off ball, and realize what his role in the system is to judge their defense. That's a perfect example of stats not painting the full picture. Stats can be valuable in a lot of cases though.

11-06-2013, 12:53 PM	#3
...the Nagger Junior Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 2,856 Battle Record: 4-4 Rep Power: 15781387	valuable of course the problem is when people think stats are the bible

11-06-2013, 01:55 PM	#4
Frank Metts Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 2,621 Battle Record: 0-1 Rep Power: 2305789	Iverson got a ton of steals because he played top key zone or box in one when he was always on the ball but he had that first step that was unreal esp in his younger years plus dudes would try to cross him up and you just couldn't early in his career ... One dude on every team thought they could out dribble dude and it just led to a lot of sloppy play and AI benefitting from it. But yeah D isn't something you have to watch but something that some players get overlooked on because of stats ... Lebron blocks shots you can read about it in a stat sheet but you just don't know how well he does it unless you watch him recover chase someone down from behind and throw that shit against the backboard

11-06-2013, 02:11 PM	#5
DLB COLTS GANG Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 2,371 Battle Record: 5-6 Rep Power: 0	AI was the god of handles in his prime & word at the lebron blocking shit, he can straight up block niggas like he did against splitter in the finals but he usually does a chasedown