Politics!

[~RustyGunZ~]

God forbid someone says Diode is wrong at all

So easy to get people heated in political threads

@Sharp nah I'm good. These aren't argument they're just observations. Like I said arguing about politics is pointless. TALKING about politics is worthwhile but no one here is trying to have an intelligent conversation unless it aligns with their views. BE DAMNED IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE!!

Fuck this country

@Diode fucking gone @ book learnin. Why don't YOU grow up you fucking nitwit cry baby. I ain't neva read no booksises at my Ivy league university. Sry smart man shittt..

[Diode]

so redirect and ad hom rather than refute point.

you called in the elitist nonsense, genius.

[~RustyGunZ~]

What do you want me to say? You literally just whined.. I'm not sure how I respond to that intelligently?

Say something of substance and I'll respond to it. Tell me how what I originally said was so terrible.

[Diode]

.. i already did. you're debating at a Trump level right now. you're a perfect fit. there needs to be a word for "feigning ignorance but you actually are ignorant" - i bet the germanic languages have one.


on to the next thread.

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Lmao quote what you consider you responding to it intelligently

Might have skimmed past it

[Diode]

(in which a logical person refuses to engage a moron and the moron declares victory)

[Sharp]

I mean like your underlying reasoning

I totally agree that this online argument won't get shit done but I'm still tryna figure out what exactly you believe and why in a non-judgmental way

As of now I'm seeing Libertarian and apparently not socialist? But calling socialism fairy tales doesn't really do much for a discussion bro

[veritas]

The ego is strong itt.

Anyone who can't see that modern American politics is a work is a fool.

Bring on ww3.

[boof]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...his-proposals/

[veritas]

Well....that looks good on paper. In response to hurting the rich and corporate profits...how do you think they will respond?

[boof]

@veritas if we're referring to the corporations already stashing all of their tax money abroad, we're obviously not going to lose money by enforcing stricter tax policies. they can either pack up and move their company to tax havens like puerto rico or ireland or wherever, like pfizer is doing, which means they'll no longer be robbing the middle class, or they can pay their fair share, and if the ladder rings true, then the people in charge of those companies can either cut jobs or cut their own ridiculous wages. now if this trend started by a handful of companies to lower ceo wages and raise bottom level employee wages continues, then things can move upwards. but if these tax dodgers all decide to leave then it's whatever. they're awful companies anyways, and we can continue to let renewable energy companies and the proposed infrastructure jobs replace any loss the economy or workforce takes.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by boof

@veritas if we're referring to the corporations already stashing all of their tax money abroad, we're obviously not going to lose money by enforcing stricter tax policies. they can either pack up and move their company to tax havens like puerto rico or ireland or wherever, like pfizer is doing, which means they'll no longer be robbing the middle class, or they can pay their fair share, and if the ladder rings true, then the people in charge of those companies can either cut jobs or cut their own ridiculous wages. now if this trend started by a handful of companies to lower ceo wages and raise bottom level employee wages continues, then things can move upwards. but if these tax dodgers all decide to leave then it's whatever. they're awful companies anyways, and we can continue to let renewable energy companies and the proposed infrastructure jobs replace any loss the economy or workforce takes.

so, like, you don't think they would just increase their prices to still make the same (or more!) profit?

Also...are we all equal?

[boof]

Originally Posted by veritas

so, like, you don't think they would just increase their prices to still make the same (or more!) profit?

Also...are we all equal?

this seriously depends on what companies you're talking about

if it's pharmaceutical, we're trying to regulate those prices anyways since we already pay 50x more than those same companies charge in other countries.

but regardless if they can legally make their profit back then there's nothing wrong with that, we're just trying to get the tax money that they owe to put towards things that are beneficial to the majority of the country.

bernie wants to:

-end a rule allowing American corporations to defer paying federal income taxes on profits of offshore subsidiaries.

-prevent corporations from avoiding U.S. taxes by claiming to be a foreign company through the establishment of a post office box in a tax-haven country

-eliminate tax breaks for big oil, gas, and coal companies.
stop American companies from avoiding U.S. taxes through corporate inversions.

-close loopholes that allow U.S. corporations to artificially inflate or accelerate foreign tax credits

implementing these effectively saves $100 billion a year, minimum



are we all equal? what are you trying to bait me into, ask what you mean

[veritas]

Originally Posted by boof

this seriously depends on what companies you're talking about

if it's pharmaceutical, we're trying to regulate those prices anyways since we already pay 50x more than those same companies charge in other countries.

but regardless if they can legally make their profit back then there's nothing wrong with that, we're just trying to get the tax money that they owe to put towards things that are beneficial to the majority of the country.

bernie wants to:

-end a rule allowing American corporations to defer paying federal income taxes on profits of offshore subsidiaries.

-prevent corporations from avoiding U.S. taxes by claiming to be a foreign company through the establishment of a post office box in a tax-haven country

-eliminate tax breaks for big oil, gas, and coal companies.
stop American companies from avoiding U.S. taxes through corporate inversions.

-close loopholes that allow U.S. corporations to artificially inflate or accelerate foreign tax credits

implementing these effectively saves $100 billion a year, minimum



are we all equal? what are you trying to bait me into, ask what you mean

is it possible that just one of these "corporations" either directly or indirectly funded the Bern's campaign? Also...if you were a corporation and you needed to legally make more profit, what would you do?

Forget what I said about the equal thing. But that in the back of your mind. Depending on how indoctrinated you are to the agenda we may not make it that far.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Taxation is theft

I'll try to cover some things today if I get a chance @Sharp

Edit: but yes I'm a libertarian. Extreme one. Borderline anarchist. In an ideal world I'd be a left libertarian but people are unfortunately awful for the most part. It's why I believe socialism and communism are fairytales

[~RustyGunZ~]

And how is he going to accomplish that boof?

If he gets into office (despite being the best option, he won't ) the most he is going to do is pass maybeeee one bill that kind of somewhat helps for a month before those corporations find a new way to hide their money

[boof]

@Knucklehead if you're referring to congress not letting him get these things done, we know that we have to vote new members of congress in. we know 88% of congress is up for re-election, and we know if we show up and vote like we are for bernie, we can give him the supporting cast he needs, hopefully. new loopholes will not be easy to find with a guy this passionate about this specific issue. he's been talking about it on the floor of congressional meetings for 25 years. given the chance to change it, i know he'll fight tooth & nail, and that's all i can ask in a president.
@veritas one of these corporations that he's shone the spotlight on for dodging taxes? funding his campaign? no. go look at his donors. the only companies involved that have been known to dodge taxes is apple and amazon, but the only donations came from individuals, not their PAC, and both of those companies have agreed to pay their taxes as of october 15'

& to the second question, corporations aren't people. but obviously there's only three ways, make a cheaper product, raise your prices, or cut jobs.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by boof

@Knucklehead if you're referring to congress not letting him get these things done, we know that we have to vote new members of congress in. we know 88% of congress is up for re-election, and we know if we show up and vote like we are for bernie, we can give him the supporting cast he needs, hopefully. new loopholes will not be easy to find with a guy this passionate about this specific issue. he's been talking about it on the floor of congressional meetings for 25 years. given the chance to change it, i know he'll fight tooth & nail, and that's all i can ask in a president.
@veritas one of these corporations that he's shone the spotlight on for dodging taxes? funding his campaign? no. go look at his donors. the only companies involved that have been known to dodge taxes is apple and amazon, but the only donations came from individuals, not their PAC, and both of those companies have agreed to pay their taxes as of october 15'

& to the second question, corporations aren't people. but obviously there's only three ways, make a cheaper product, raise your prices, or cut jobs.

So...those individuals have NO interest in preserving the status quo? doth they wish to cut off their noses to spite their face?

Nextly: Corporations are made up of people, and are considered a person in the eyes of the legal system, friend. which leads to my grand point: IF Bernie does do these things which harm the corporations profits (whether righteously earned or not) and they do one of those 3 things to keep their profits.....does that not end up hurting the very people he said he is trying to help?


Boof, Socialism is the economic arm of communism...and I hate to sound cliche, but it only looks good on paper. That is why cubans escape cuba to come to america, and not vice versa.

can we agree on this point?

[Diode]

Originally Posted by veritas

So...those individuals have NO interest in preserving the status quo? doth they wish to cut off their noses to spite their face?

Nextly: Corporations are made up of people, and are considered a person in the eyes of the legal system, friend. which leads to my grand point: IF Bernie does do these things which harm the corporations profits (whether righteously earned or not) and they do one of those 3 things to keep their profits.....does that not end up hurting the very people he said he is trying to help?


Boof, Socialism is the economic arm of communism...and I hate to sound cliche, but it only looks good on paper. That is why cubans escape cuba to come to america, and not vice versa.

can we agree on this point?

what a gross misunderstanding of what the (still awful, ridiculous) citizens united ruling means. i can't even.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Diode

what a gross misunderstanding of what the (still awful, ridiculous) citizens united ruling means. i can't even.

You have an agenda. So you are blind to the truth and facts and common sense.