is Snowden's nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize worst ever?

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snowden committed treason

he didnt help you.

stop.

you knew everything you posted before snowden leaked that the nsa keeps phone records

if you didnt know the government kept records/spied on american phones then you got your priorities backwards when researching this type of shit.

im big into all the shit you are talking about. none of it has to do with snowden. you fail to mention why it matters that the government has your phone records, and how its infringing on your freedom

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Originally Posted by uh-oh

snowden committed treason

he didnt help you.

stop.

you knew everything you posted before snowden leaked that the nsa keeps phone records

if you didnt know the government kept records/spied on american phones then you got your priorities backwards when researching this type of shit.

im big into all the shit you are talking about. none of it has to do with snowden. you fail to mention why it matters that the government has your phone records, and how its infringing on your freedom

well let's see...the government, per our constitution an laws, is NOT allowed to monitor everything i do...thus, i have the RIGHT to not be monitored in everything i do...however, the NSA does it anyways...do u see now how my freedom to live without being constantly tracked an monitored is being infringed?

an whether we knew they were monitoring everything or not, he pushed it from the realm of "conspiracy theory" into verifiable FACT...on the surface, that might not make a huge difference, but there are a LOT of people who never believed all that shit before snowden provided the documentation to prove it...

not only that, but he pushed the debate over it back into the lime light...he sparked a whole new wave of discussion over the ever-expanding power of the government...it doesn't mean they gonna STOP breaking the law, but there's a lot of people who didn't believe it before, but do now that he showed the proof...

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Originally Posted by detour

well let's see...the government, per our constitution an laws, is NOT allowed to monitor everything i do...thus, i have the RIGHT to not be monitored in everything i do...however, the NSA does it anyways...do u see now how my freedom to live without being constantly tracked an monitored is being infringed?

an whether we knew they were monitoring everything or not, he pushed it from the realm of "conspiracy theory" into verifiable FACT...on the surface, that might not make a huge difference, but there are a LOT of people who never believed all that shit before snowden provided the documentation to prove it...

not only that, but he pushed the debate over it back into the lime light...he sparked a whole new wave of discussion over the ever-expanding power of the government...it doesn't mean they gonna STOP breaking the law, but there's a lot of people who didn't believe it before, but do now that he showed the proof...

the executive orders put in by the presidents override the constitution. thats just the law. you think people were yelling about fiat currencies when abe lincoln invented his own to save america from central banking? but fiat currency is against the constitution!

he didnt move it from "conspiracy theory" to fact. read the patriot act dummy. they had the right to monitor your calls. if the government put in a law saying they have the right to move blonde jews to fema camps, you ain't gonna know its for real until they knock on your door?

him breaking it into the lime light, wouldnt have even been a big deal if it didnt reveal we were spying on other nations leaders. thats where the problem lies. the government doesnt care about us man. if we called someone on there list then they would care. this isnt some secret conspiracy shit to strip our rights.

Originally Posted by detour

how is that going off track? u asked me to tell u how the government has committed treason against the american people...that's EXACTLY WHAT I DID...if sinking ur own battleships an lying about who did it to convince the public to support the vietnam war (which cost thousands of american an vietnamese lives) doesn't make u a traitor, what does? is it breaking the laws u swear to uphold in order to sell out ur country to an elite few? is kidnapping american citizens an torturing them to try an chase some non existent mind control methods not traitorous to the people?

so please, explain to me how i strayed off track by listing cases of the government betraying the american people an the constitution it is sworn to uphold, when that's exactly what u asked me to do?

i didnt clarify my point or you didnt read it right. i said how did the government commit treason, in reference to this situation.

and man its really hard to take you serious when the shit you bring up you don't even know about. the gulf of tonkin didnt sink anything. the first battle actually happened. it was three north vietnamese torpedo boats, all of which were threats eliminated. the destroyer and a plane that was firing on them, was slightly damaged. meaning they probably got damaged in destroying those shitty vietnamese boats.

the SECOND engagement was completely made up, there was no attack, no radar imaging of anything etc. they made that engagement up to speed up the process because they were intent on warring with them in the first place.

it was a false flag because they stated they were attacked and weren't. thats the conspiracy theory. the us didnt sink us ships. there was 1 minor skirmish, and 1 fake skirmish.

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Originally Posted by uh-oh

the executive orders put in by the presidents override the constitution. thats just the law. you think people were yelling about fiat currencies when abe lincoln invented his own to save america from central banking? but fiat currency is against the constitution!

he didnt move it from "conspiracy theory" to fact. read the patriot act dummy. they had the right to monitor your calls. if the government put in a law saying they have the right to move blonde jews to fema camps, you ain't gonna know its for real until they knock on your door?

him breaking it into the lime light, wouldnt have even been a big deal if it didnt reveal we were spying on other nations leaders. thats where the problem lies. the government doesnt care about us man. if we called someone on there list then they would care. this isnt some secret conspiracy shit to strip our rights.



i didnt clarify my point or you didnt read it right. i said how did the government commit treason, in reference to this situation.

and man its really hard to take you serious when the shit you bring up you don't even know about. the gulf of tonkin didnt sink anything. the first battle actually happened. it was three north vietnamese torpedo boats, all of which were threats eliminated. the destroyer and a plane that was firing on them, was slightly damaged. meaning they probably got damaged in destroying those shitty vietnamese boats.

the SECOND engagement was completely made up, there was no attack, no radar imaging of anything etc. they made that engagement up to speed up the process because they were intent on warring with them in the first place.

it was a false flag because they stated they were attacked and weren't. thats the conspiracy theory. the us didnt sink us ships. there was 1 minor skirmish, and 1 fake skirmish.

smh apparently u haven't actually looked into the declassified information about the gulf of tonkin...the ship that was sank was done so by our own military...the plan was the brainchild of one donald rumsfeld, a young CIA agent who later became the head of the DOD during the period 9/11 happened...the shit's public knowledge broham, do some more investigating...an as for snowden "exposing" us for spying on world leaders, u do realize ur own argument makes that pointless, RIGHT? u said snowden just told us shit we already knew...hate to break it to u, but the leader of EVERY government worth being spied on.................ALREADY KNOWS THEY'RE BEING SPIED ON...ur own logic against snowden makes ur biggest accusation against him void...lmao...

i listed a whole menagerie of things the government has done that constitute a treason against the american people...whether executive orders become the law or not, which they do, that doesn't make them free from constituting a treasonous act...if the president signs an executive order that officially makes every american property of the chinese an rules our country no longer a sovereign entity, it's LEGAL, yes, but it's still an act of treason...i don't care how many laws they write that say they can listen to our phone calls without warrant, arrest us without warrant, imprison us indefinitely without charges, etc...IT'S STILL A DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE 14TH AMMENDMENT...

lincoln did invent his own form of fiat currency, true, but that was illegal...just like the inception of central banking in the US was illegal...that's the point...OF COURSE THE GOVERNMENT IS GONNA MAKE EVERYTHING THEY DO LEGAL BY CHANGING THE LAW TO SAY IT IS...that doesn't change the fact that it's wrong, that the constitution expressly forbids a lot of it, an that all they're doing is using things like executive orders to circumvent the legal process...saying it's the law now (what u said about executive orders) doesn't make these acts not treason anymore than legalizing rape would make it not rape...just cuz the law says u can do it doesn't mean it isn't what it is...

if u don't see how any of that shit is treasonous then i don't know what the fuck to tell u...live ur life, eat ur doritos, an hopefully when they throw u in a FEMA camp they have a vending machine there so u can keep eating them...i hate to tell u bro, but even a supreme court justice has come out an publicly stated that the government will throw us in FEMA camps...an not on some, "oh it could happen," no, as in IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, an quote "ur kidding urself" if u think it isn't...he even states it's illegal, but that "in times of war the law remains silent"...

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/02/overl...l-maybe-never/

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Originally Posted by detour

smh apparently u haven't actually looked into the declassified information about the gulf of tonkin...the ship that was sank was done so by our own military...

no american ships were sunk

i woke up later than usual gotta run to work but seriously just google the gulf of tonkin whereever your getting your info is false