all this gay debate shit going round

oats · 06-13-2013, 05:28 PM

@Split Eight

we aren't heading towards overpopulation - we are overpopulated. Even if there is a sharp decline, keep in mind that this millennial generation is the largest generation. Ever. Meaning, a decline is to be expected (see: Malthusian Economics). The overall trend over the course of humanity has shown nothing but steady growth since the bubonic plague.

As for everything we do is natural, you missed my point. Constructing homes is very natural, it is essential for survival. Paving parking lots, malls, office buildings, even most community housing, does not occur in nature, and therefore is not natural. Synthesizing diseases into immunities? Same thing. In short, using nature to help us achieve similar ends is natural, dominating it and manipulating it for the same purpose is not.

Does this mean that all of these things are bad? Of course not. That's the point. Just because something isn't a natural state intended by nature, does not mean it isn't important or meaningful (though there are strong arguments out there to state that all of my examples result in negative consequences for the species).

06-13-2013, 05:28 PM	#11
oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	@Split Eight we aren't heading towards overpopulation - we are overpopulated. Even if there is a sharp decline, keep in mind that this millennial generation is the largest generation. Ever. Meaning, a decline is to be expected (see: Malthusian Economics). The overall trend over the course of humanity has shown nothing but steady growth since the bubonic plague. As for everything we do is natural, you missed my point. Constructing homes is very natural, it is essential for survival. Paving parking lots, malls, office buildings, even most community housing, does not occur in nature, and therefore is not natural. Synthesizing diseases into immunities? Same thing. In short, using nature to help us achieve similar ends is natural, dominating it and manipulating it for the same purpose is not. Does this mean that all of these things are bad? Of course not. That's the point. Just because something isn't a natural state intended by nature, does not mean it isn't important or meaningful (though there are strong arguments out there to state that all of my examples result in negative consequences for the species).