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![]() THE OFFICIAL NETCEES.ORG AOWL TAKEOVER TOURNAMENT FINALS MAGAZINE!!!!!! ![]() Welcome back once again, boils and ghouls, for this spooktacular Halloween edition of our tournament magazine! As always we have a lot to unpack, plenty to keep you entertained, and as always at this stage of a tournament we need EVERYONE to help give us that final push over the finish line by getting involved and casting their votes on the finals. If you’ve been involved in the tourney process this time out, do your part and help us finish another successful tournament. If you haven’t been involved in this one but you’re looking to get invited to the next — my stance has always been that I’ll help out those that help me. The mainstays will be awarded a spot over those that haven’t contributed. Respect is earned, not given, as it were… so if you want to be considered for the next, help make this one successful by casting your votes and getting actively involved! But back to the matter at hand for the moment… We had four semi-finalists battle it out last round for a coveted place in our finals, and only two spots promised. This round there was no room for losers. Let’s see what lead us here as we get into our… TOURNAMENT SEMI-FINAL BATTLE REVIEWS!!!! So after the response to last rounds magazine reviews, I’ve foolishly decided to try and offer more of the same content. It’s a lot of work. A LOT. I can see why no one has opted to delve as in depth before for sure, but if we want to try and keep this culture alive it’s going to take a concerted effort from all those left standing. Myself included. If you want people to show up and show out, you must lead by example. I’ve never been shy about putting a shift in when it’s required, so thank you for bearing with me and being patient. These things take time, and as good a moderator as I may be when it comes to these things - I am, unfortunately, only human. The wait is worth it though. I know you’ve all been waiting to hear what I thought of your last round verses, so without further ado let’s take us a look at those Semi-Finals battles! Mwahahahahahahahahaa!!!! @MMLP vs. @symetrik: This battle was one with a little history, both combatants having climbed to (almost) the #1 spot of the AOWL - reaching the lofty heights of its Championship matches… but ultimately falling short at its final hurdle. I don’t believe either have ever won it. Symetrik, of course, managed to make it to The Topical Tournament 2024 Finals where he had a genuine shout at being crowned champion once more… only to be beaten by Etherwave in her maiden voyage of these pea green seas. MMLP has previous pedigree in the Black August II topical tournament, where he too fell short, falling victim to Inno in the finals match but has managed to exact some form of revenge by ousting Inno in the opening round here (albeit by Robranda vote, which I would much rather have not had to count). Which brings us to this clash between two of Netcees nearly men. Almost accomplishing something, but not quite. Falling short where it mattered most. I personally consider being a finalist at all an achievement, I’m of the opinion that a first, second and third place finish should be recognised with an accomplishment - though I’m also aware some here consider second place as tantamount to last. With neither of these guys having taken that final step required, yet both seemingly having reached their respective ceilings, this one makes for a very interesting matchup between two evenly matched competitors looking to challenge for a title once again. Let’s take a look into this one with more detail: The topic itself to me was somewhat open in what could be done with it, there’s a lot of visual imagery to be toyed with and incorporated into a storyline by way of this apparent smoker - and drinker - with clear vices. Who is this figure, and what makes him tick? The opportunity for exploratory world building is there, by working not just directly to what is displayed in the image itself, but around it. The character having lost his head is surely a focal point of interest, some sort of action that has lead to that happening. I’ve mentioned before that conflict drives great stories, and the idea of this setting being some sort of bar definitely opens to the door to a bar fight or some kind being the conflict required. Perhaps the idea of could be that this is an off-duty fireman or similar - stopping by at a bar to describe the events he’s witnessed that night could work. The smell of the smoke persisting in his nostrils, him needing a stiff drinking after watching a child consumed by the flames, smoke filling up the room. Perhaps a step further as a twist and something wronged him that lead to him actually being the one that started the fire. He’s an arsonist. No one will suspect him though because he’s the fireman in his day job. He wouldn’t commit arson, would he? Just an idea. Anyway, enough from me, let’s see how you guys played this one… Quote:
Is battlefield one word instead of two? I believe it is. No big deal really, just a quick point I noticed when reading this back. I felt there should have perhaps been a comma after field, and maybe make the couplet one sentence rather than two. The scheme is there, with its internal and external rhymes, but I will say that I did feel the opening couplet felt a little disjointed. The two sentences – for me at least – didn’t really relate to each other and I’m already looking for more cohesion between the lines. I will say, however, the metre here is used well in these opening two lines and I imagine that will prove difficult to keep up (If you do decide to). Quote:
I wasn’t overly keen of this couplet, again there is a disconnect between those two lines in my opinion and the context seems to getting lost amongst the attempts to adhere to such a rigid scheme. It is a precarious balancing act, I know this and how difficult it can be, but your verse last round regarding the Octopus certainly seems more inspired than this particular piece so far. The final line here is your best so far, IMHO. I feel you’ve now set your stall out and this is where things really begin. Quote:
There’s perhaps a comma needed after God, and after support, but it’s a small thing really. It just makes the line read cleaner, the third line seems to increase in length slightly from the rest at this section. It’s crept up, I think due to the inclusion of ‘purposefully fall’ which adds several syllables seemingly unnecessarily at this section. I think with a little more time and care, you could have eliminated that and shortened this up. I can see why you did it, for the alternating internal/external scheme, but with that rhyme in particular it’s placed soooooooooooo far into the line that it is barely even noticeable. We have, what, six syllables before we get to that internal rhyme? It doesn’t sound a great deal, but when you read this back to yourself you’ll see that it is quite far into the line before the internal rhyme comes into play. You want to shorten that gap considerably to make it more noticeable. Perhaps get it as closely as you can to the one from the end rhyme in the line before. The rhyme placement is key here. It’s actually a pretty good example on why it’s so important, so worth highlighting not just for you but so that others can be made aware too.* * Quote:
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If I can be honest here, I feel like you’re trying too much with the adherence to your rhyme scheme and it’s hurting the writing. It’s most noticeable here, but there has been several instances throughout this one where I’ve picked up similar. The “sobering” thought idea was clearly intentional, and I get why you would try to include it (especially after the previous lines), but I honestly feel this would be better without it. It adds to the length of your line, elongating it, when you didn’t really need or want to. You want to truncate it if anything, making it shorter, cutting the excess and keeping that syllable count down per line. The addition of the “sobering thought,” and also “To find God,” in that second line pushes the internal rhymes towards the middle of your lines – around 6/7 syllables into the line – and they almost become lost and unnoticeable. From a purely rhyme placement perspective here, you again want them to be closely in succession to each other. It reads better, it’s more noticeable to the reader what you’re doing, it gives it more of an implied rhythmic cadence when read aloud, and it keeps the lines shorter. The switch-up between ‘propose me a quest/divine intervention/open express’ and then into a different ending couplet felt like a mistake also. It reads as if it’s missing an entire line or end rhyme or something there, feels like an oversight. Quote:
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Sheesh. A rollercoaster of a verse, sometimes up and sometimes down. A lot to like, a little I loathed if I’m completely real, but overall consistently somewhere in the middle. I think formatting was a major issue I had with it, and you refusing point blank to take your foot off the gas a little so far as schemes were concerned. Sym: Quote:
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@Dominate vs. @Etherwave This one was an absolute pleasure to read, one of the better topical battles of the past 12 months and you would have to trawl back a considerable way further to find something of an equally good standard I’m pretty sure. The topic image itself was a challenging one, both writers did well to navigate around it, with two very different takes both in terms of their approach and execution (as I expected to see happen here). Etherwave went first, so without further ado let’s give her verse a closer look and throw it under the microscope: Etherwave: Quote:
Etherwave opens strongly here, taking heed of the feedback from last round to incorporate far more multi-syllable rhymes than last time out. I see you. The over arching rhyme scheme was done well, no doubt with one eye on going toe-to-toe with her opposition in that department, as a more minor point I thought “my wife and kids,” would have served you slightly better than “my wife and my kids,” which added an unnecessary syllable to that line in my opinion. I found it interesting that you adopted the masculine role here given your female, it was somewhat irrelevant to comment on but I enjoyed that you did rather than base it on you as many tend to do. The final line has a black humour to it, which I again enjoyed, you’ve taken a risk here and that again for me is testament to you and your belief in your writing ability. The subtle mention of Headless being “last to get fed,” was noted, a nod towards last rounds shenanigans without it bogging down the rest of the verse in it. A sneaky little jab aimed towards him. Quote:
The choice of name here with Cherry, coupled with the sudden adaptation of style to include a barrage of multi syllables (sometimes slightly mismatched, perhaps due to accent) is reminiscent of Frank and so I can see why that accusation was levied your way. I say that like it wasn’t me that threw it out there. It was very Frank-esque, I’ll happily be proven wrong (and unhappily be proven right as he owes me money if this turns out to be him). For me the Cherry drop out of nowhere along with the style change was too coincidental for it to be an accident. If it was an unfortunate name choice, so be it, but I’m standing firm on that one for now. It wouldn’t be the first time he has pretended to be a female here. Regardless, that’s all a side show, so let’s stick to the verse at hand and stay on topic. The Headless comparison continues with the “All I’m seeing is red,” based on last rounds meme and his overall antics. I see it. The diss topical isn’t an entirely new thing, they’ve certainly been deployed before - and successfully - usually against the opposition rather than their previous opponent. I will say that they have, generally, proven to be more successful when used in a league setting over a tournament one. The arguably more competitive nature of the tournament setting seems to favour a more tried and tested approach over attacking an opponent, even subtly, and there seems to be a thin line between either whitewashing the opponent from an entertainment perspective - or falling victim to a more standardised traditional storytelling verse. It’s a risky choice, and I enjoy that you’ve taken the gamble here, but I couldn’t help but feel it was a real roll of the dice (particularly against someone of Dominate’s calibre). Quote:
This section again was quite solid, both in terms of the multi syllable rhyming and your narration driving the story forwards. Yes, there was some syllable mismatching, which I haven’t completely overlooked - but this was stronger than some previous submissions by you. I wasn’t the greatest fan of “all his habits are set,” even though there’s nothing particularly wrong with it per se - it just reads slightly clunky and in need of some quick rewording. I see why you did it regarding the scheme you were using, I just felt it could be stronger still. Again, it’s thin margins, and a thinner line you’re having to walk between balancing the technical profile by whilst still retaining the clarity and story progression so the reader gets everything on first read. We could highlight the structure, as you tend to format your verses in a different way to what is traditionally used in these topical things, but I honestly have no real issue with the formatting and find it reads just fine. I can’t speak for everyone, mind, and I can see some unfamiliar perhaps having a little more of an issue with that. To me it’s no problem personally. I felt this section was much needed, it built the character up in the minds of the reader, honing in on their thoughts and fears, while still leaving some room for interpretation and reading between the lines somewhat. It showed a trust in the reader to form their own opinions and fill in the blanks somewhat rather than beat them over the head with it to ensure they got you. I liked that. Quote:
I wasn’t particularly keen on the opening lines to this one with “life is to in smoke and I’m starting to choke on my cloak,” if I’m honest. This stanza felt a little basic and less focused than those earlier on, from a purely technical standpoint it holds less weight and merit - especially given the opposition and how their style is so dialed in to those exact technical elements. I will note, however, an often overlooked factor in the rhyme placement to this which is what gives it the implied rhythmic cadence it has going for it. It’s perhaps most noticeable in the “Cat in my hat I’m sat on the brim,” line which really had a simplistic sounding Dr. Seuss-esque feel to it. The rhyming words are placed closely together for a reason. This is one of the main noticeable differences between someone that does audio songs and text, in an audible submission this would sound far better than it reads, I’m sure of it. It doesn’t work as well when read, but you would hear it if this were for a track. I won’t fully discredit it because I can hear how that would sound in my head, and I can see why she chose to do this, it wasn’t a mistake but more of a misjudged misstep really. Inexperience at play perhaps, in this environment, or an example of her experience in a different field to be more oddly specific. It’s a difficult balance to attain in text between the two, where you have an implied rhythm but also maintain the content. I feel the content suffered slightly as a result here. There is a rhyme scheme to it, which I appreciate, but the scheme seems to have taken precedent over the content itself on this occasion. Quote:
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The anchoring of the verse did its job in the sense of confirming it was what we thought, a partisan shot fired at your opposition from last round and his reaction. I suppose you had every right to have him weighing on your mind, though I do almost wish you had ignored that little sideshow and instead crafted something less Headless-orientated really. I certainly didn’t select the topic with that take in mind, so it was a creative direction to take it in - and unexpected if I’m completely truthful - so kudos to you in that regard but I didn’t feel this was the best version of yourself we have seen unfortunately. If I can delve a little deeper for you here, titling the verse as you did up top perhaps already put in the readers mind this idea of it being about Headless Verseman from the get-go, so when we reach the conclusion right at the end it perhaps takes some of the impact act from the realisation about what you were doing throughout. We already knew who it was about, so the resolution didn’t offer us up anything more than a knowing nod and a slight chuckle that you would choose to do this after last round. I think you may have been better off either removing the title of the piece - leaving more of a “twist,” if you will with an unexpected revealing at the end as to what you’re doing - so that with a secondary read they could peel back the layers and find more and more subtle jibes OR titled the piece with Headless Verse Man as a sort of misdirection and maybe including those thinly veiled barbs but not dedicating the entire thing towards your former opponent. The concept itself does have some mileage, don’t get me wrong, I did enjoy your take and admire the fact you took such a risk against an experience challenger - it was more the execution that let you down here rather than anything more. Just as a quick sort of afterthought for you while I’m at this juncture: The diss topical has been deployed several times, to varying degrees of success, and usually directed at the current opponent (rather than a former one). It seems to be far more successful in a league setting than a tournament one, where competition is arguably higher, and I myself have attempted this power play at the business end of both leagues and tournaments (the failure rate has been higher than the success rate, so they’re probably best avoided at the top of the game I’m afraid!). Still, they’re interesting to read, and an entirely different strategy to what is traditionally done in topical battles - so for that, I will always give props because you’re trying something different creatively and it’s only through trial and error we begin to see what works (what doesn’t) and why. vs Quote:
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I’m a huge fan of physics so I perhaps caught on to where this was going earlier than some who will read this, obviously the first four lines with its overarching end rhyme scheme again here was done well. The alliteration in the fourth line was another little deft touch, sometimes those things come quite easily and I imagine that one did too here as “putting pen to paper,” on its own is already a little alliterative idiom anyway. The grand finale to round things out confirmed my early thoughts, not necessarily a twist for me but a solid resolution and its the fact you managed to extract this conceptually from that image that was the most impressive thing about it. This was a high quality submission, worthy of our semi-finals, and there are few active right now that would have fancied their chances up against it I’m sure. A monstrous showing from someone who doesn’t consider themselves a topical head. You not only came here and told a story, you offered up a creative take on the topic and incorporated various different technical elements from the rhyme scheme, the hanging rhymes, alliteration, your rhythmic cadence (rhythmic cadence/alliteration rhymes there deliberately. I’m so good). Regardless, good work Dom. Keep that pen moving. BATTLE OF THE WEEK!!!! I hand on heart felt that MMLP and Symetrik was a damp squib of a battle this round, sorry guys. Neither seemed entirely confident with their submissions and Sym seemed to have a bad day at the office with such a short submission. Etherwave vs. Dominate was by far the better matchup of those two to take place, the two of them offering up equally creative takes but for entirely different reasons - one a ‘diss topical’ and the other a more traditional storyline driven narrative effort. If you haven’t read it already, go and do so, this is one of the better matchups to have taken place these past few months and from two of the most active combatants still around. A match very much deserving of our Battle Of The Week award: Quote:
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VERSE OF THE WEEK!!!! Those who have stuck around a good length of time enough to have seen these magazine write ups from me will know that I don’t tend to award Verse Of The Week and Battle Of The Week to the same people. I generally try to show as many people some love as possible in the interests of encouraging them to keep writing and progressing. This week though one verse, for me, sat head and shoulders above the competition so it’s only right we hold it up as an example of how things are done right. This is what you need to be aiming for. This is the standard. The bar has been set. Analyse it, digest it, dissect it and learn from it. It’s clear that Dominate has been paying attention to the old masters of the craft, the hallmarks are right there in his verse for those keen enough to look. The influences clear. It’s interesting to me, actually, because I do see several parallels with myself. I was a text battler to start with, long before I discovered topical battles. I made the jump, I had a degree of success, I too studied the old masters of the craft and in some ways tried to emulate what they were doing early on. It’s part of the learning curve, us testing ourselves to see what we can achieve. The emphasis on things like rhyme scheme and implied rhythmic cadence, of course, were not considered as important back then as we perhaps do nowadays. It takes a good while before you really start to find your own definitive “style”. There are few writers where you could read a blind drop from them and immediately know who it was by, but those that have honed their craft and perfected their respective styles. Dominate isn’t there yet, he encompasses several elements from several different writers, and I honestly hope he chooses to stick around on the topical scene because he has the potential to develop even further still if he chooses to. He absolutely deserves his flowers for last rounds effort. I shouldn’t need to post this again, but here we go: Quote:
TOURNAMENT FINALS BRACKET!!!!
The results of the last round mean our tournament brackets leave just two champions-in-waiting remaining. Dominate and MMLP. There isn’t a great deal more we can expunge from this neat looking graphic, but if anyone cares to stare at it longingly and wish it read their own name instead, here’s an uploaded image for you to cry yourself to sleep over. Loser. Mwahahahahahhahaa! ![]() TOURNAMENT FINAL MEMES!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The result of the last round leaves us with just two worthy finalists in Dominate vs. MMLP. This next one decides their fate. It’s all or nothing. Go big, or go home. Please note that the line limit has been upped for the finale, giving you amply opportunity to expand upon your verses and whatnot. LMAO & WTF’S OF THE WEEK! LMAO @ This taking me so long, sorry guys. You caught me on a rough week of clocks going back, kids on school holidays, and my birthday. WTF @ another successful topical tournament in 2024?! LMAO @ Headless getting NC taken down. Yikes. WTF @ the bar being raised again with these battle breakdowns!? LMAO @ Regulator thinking NC would ever loan his skin WTF @ the finals match being late?! LMAO @ MMLP’s chances of winning being as low as Arsenals shots on target xG this weekend (0.00) WTF @ so much hate for Headless Verseman?! LMAO @ Mike Wrecka straight up only voting on the battle he considered a final, in the semis WTF @ Those doubting a mag was underway. Hang your heads LMAO @ Symetrik missing out once again. Dude can’t catch a break. WTF @ this finals topic?! LMAO @ This potentially being the final battle to ever happen at NC VBulletin WTF @ me not even caring what a Xenforo is. LMAO @ Headless likely doing us all and inadvertent favour long term!
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LARSLARSLARSLARSLARS
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HAVE AT IT YOU FILTHY ANIMALS. EXCUSE THE ASTERISKS, IVE BEEN DRINKING TODAY!!!!
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Dope mag thanx for the shout out lars..
And thanks to etherwave for giving my cherry hill a shout out
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Thanks again for the considered feedback. And you’re quite right - a lot of my writing is just my best impression of a few people I feel do certain things particularly well. Very insightful Larzipan.
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Is frank a woman!? Wtf lol
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yo Ether- go vote on the finals
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He certainly pretended to be for a duration of time here
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