Shutter Island
 

Was Teddy a U.S Marshall or was he Andrew Leaddis the pyromaniac and subject of an experiment to implant false memories?

subject of experiment, rewatch the movie and pay attention to which flashbacks involved fire and which involved water. deff rewatch value to that movie

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So you think he was Laeddis?

a character he made up to shift blame from himself for the death of his wife by arson, making him an inmate of 2 years from the beginning?

For these 2 years he has stuck by the Laeddis character as his target of blame, refusing to acknowledge his responsibility in his wifes death.

This would provide the (Nazi) doctor's to perform their experiment of "mind control" and to get him to except his own role in his wifes death (a 2 birds with 1 stone plan)

The planned end result:

He finally comes to terms that leaddiss is a fictional character he made up. and with the fact that he killed his wife. Though in a entirely different setting and execution. (she died in a lake/water) replacing (she died in an arson attack/fire) and to add weight to the success of the experiment and it's strength they threw 3 kids into the mix to make him accept he was a father, when he was in fact not.

There's 1 thing I don't get though that sticks out like a sore thumb supporting that he was sane and a U.S Marshall.

After they come in from the thunderstorm. Teddy walks in on the meeting between the heads of the asylum discussing what to do with the inmates during the storm. Teddy just happens to walk in, in time and is quick enough to cotton on to them adding up the amount of patients totalling 66 (who is 67 note) now that to me is an action of an astute detective who is fully in tune with his surroundings (like any good detective) not a delusional pyromaniac patient. He was there to expose them, and they couldn't let that happen.

did not see, previews reminded me to much of island of dr monreau
heard it was good tho

I've heard this comparrison a few times though I've never seen dr monreau. I might check it out . You should definitely watch this though. It's been a while since I've watched a film that made me think, then re watch it

word, yeah ive had it recommended to me
ill prob peep it one of these days
and dr moreau is originally a novel by H.G. Wells fyi, but its also Marlon Brando's last film. I havn't seen the movie in years, but i rmbr it being pretty good. I was young when I saw it though, bc it was in the theaters. (1996)

Lol he was once a US Marshall before his wife drowned his children that's when he went nuts and killed his wife..

Idk if u also knew this but he says something at the end that's very interesting .... He's sitting with the doctor and makes a comment where it's as if hes crazy again so the doctor looks at the othe doctor and shakes his head meaning hes gone and will have to be obodomozed... Then after that e says .... This place makes me wonder... Would u rather live as a monster or die as a good man... And that comment clearly indicates that he was pretending to be insane at the end becuz he couldn't live with himself knowing what happened

The whole live as a monster or die as a good man could also be interpreted as he doesn't want to live with the guilt of killing his wife (thaT would make him a monster and if insane after all was something he tried to block out/deflect on the laedis character he made up)

Or die as a good man. The U.S marshal character he made up who he has reverted to as he still refuses to accept responsibility.

I think if he was a U.S Marshall he wouldn't have gotten away with killing his wife, still carry his badge to go investigate a "missing inmate" / Find Laediss (Again wouldn't be a marshall if he killed her by setting their apartment on fire or kill her in the lake) / expose the Nazi regime

He's either a straight Marshal who never killed anyone and was set up to stop exposing the asylum heads or he was an ex war vet turned inmate,

Unless you mean he was a Marshall prior to killing his wife in the lake, was then sentenced, sent to the asylum, then the role play took place?

If that's the case it wasn't a mind control experiment and the doctor's were trying to make him come to terms with what he did. So many things point in 3 or 4 directions. all have strong cases.

Just C did notget this movie at all.

It was a role play dude. Set up by doctors. It was a fake badge and gun. He was a patient the whole time. An ex marshall that went crazy and convinced himself he was there to investigate/find laeddis

I'm starting to think Dr moreau > this

Shutter island isthe shit.

Word I'm talking half blind @J. Metts
only seen one of the two but just c is making this seem like Way to much work n thought for enjoyment
Leads me to think it's one of those open for interpretation abstract endings that just ends n leaves u like hmm.. Wtf it's over?!?!

Cuz it was directed by Martin Scorsese.

havent seen in it in a whiiiile, but wasn't it all an elaborate scheme to try and fix his psychosis?

Well that's a plus in my book @Meth

Are y'all reading way too much into this movie or just confused by a slightly complicated plot? I thought it was pretty straight forward. He was a US Marshall. His wife drowned their children. He went crazy. Made up a fictional account of her dying and an arsonist to place his anger towards. The doctor was trying to make him realize who is was and what had happened. He did, but decided he didn't want to live with the truth, so he pretended to still be oblivious so they would labotomize him.

What's all this he really was an arsonist stuff? The scenes with water and fire? What are you saying is the significance?

I've heard a lot of people say this movie confused them. Poor attention spans/reasoning/sense.

Dull boy hit the nail on the head.

Word he also repiquid my interest lol

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Exactly and yes @Just C he was a Marshall prior to killing his wife

im sorry @Meth

still a plus tho
= D

I could say that you didn't get the movie at all and flip what you said on it's head and say how the fuck would an ex marshall not tell the difference in weight between a water pistol and a real pistol?

That he was never a marshal at all

that he was a marshal and that pistol in the lighthouse wasn't his but he thought it was real after being drugged since the boat with laced ciggies.

I think you didn't get the movie. It's set up in such a way an intricate way that you're supposed to be stuck in this never ending pursuit for the truth.

You're missing the very key Nazi theme here. These people weren't employed by the U.S government just to change the diaper's of crazy's. They were employed for being world renowned for torture and manipulation.

If he killed his wife in the lake after she killed his kids. how come he made up the arson laedis scenario? (shift the blame? fair enough but...) and in doing so, more importantly, how come he only ever mentions his wife... and never his kid's?

He was never a father?

The whole drowning was planted in his head through the "missing patient", she then gets into his head so much he later dreams of carrying the "missing patients" child to the lake. an image planted into his head. the only child in that dream is the 1 he see's in concentration camps from when he was a soldier, no 2 other kids, not his deceased wife. his mind is gradually being altered to accept a false truth

again people here are taking their own view and imposing it like other's are stupid for taking another angle which certain clues dictate.

You think you have all the answer's and the movie summed up to a T, when the Irony is you don't, you totally missed the point entirely.

Don't know who it was who was getting this confused at the start of the tread but its as simple as this:

he killed his wife
Due to te stress of what she did an what he did he became unstable
He creates a fake person who killed his wife to deal with it
He lives a fake life of investigating the island every day as a means to deal with reality
The bit at the end of the film is added for the film in the original book he is still mental

There was no concspiracy etc

I can't see this strictly from the standpoint that if he was already a patient of 2 years the Dr's wouldn't go through this charade on such a consistent basis, there are 60 plus other patients who Ben Kingsley and Ruffalo's character have to help to tend to on a daily basis when they can just deal with him in a much less time consuming manner. Just the thought alone is extremely far fetched. even if staff took turns to hold his hand through this daily routine is a reach, at least for me.

He was either a marshal going to the island to investigate/expose and gradually turned into a patient to protect the asylum and it's staff

Or he was a patient who they experimented on as a 1 time deal to either

A) cure him to by making him accept his role in his wifes death

B) Make him accept a false reality as a brainwashing experiment.

Or C) Both A and B to make him accept he killed his wife only in a alternate setting as part of a psychological experiment. 2 birds with 1 stone.

Just C are u trolling

You should now watch the 9th configuration.

It is what shutter island is based upon.

Actually they didn't do the charade every day. He's a violent prisoner who beleives they are doing experiments an they are halting his investigation. They allowed the charade to on that, supervised the whole time by chuck aka dr Sheehan, so that if he played out his fantasy he might realise the truth and be cured.

You must either be trolling or not paid attention the second time you watched it. You will see all the evidence and clues the second time round making the film unique in that sense.

You should now watch the 9th configuration.

So lets say for arguments sake that he killed his wife.

At the end Kingsley states that he killed his wife after she drowned his 3 children

But prior to this He never mentions having any "kids"..Not once. yet he refers to the death of his wife at the hands of laeddis.. He never dreams about his "kids".. Not once... yet he dreams about his wife on many occasions. If your children died at her hands they would figure in his dreams... especially if he's going to dream about the the mother of his children lol. There is only 1 explanation for this. They never existed to begin with. They were fabricated. You can say he shut out their death because it was too painful. But dreams are the 1 place you can't escape from such a traumatic reality.

You can say her being wet in his dreams represents the lake scenario. but it was pissing it down with rain everytime he went to sleep, thunder and lightning. Thats what was manifesting itself in his dreams of her.

No I'm not trolling? lol

Why because I have a different take? You do realise that was the movies intention right?

I've never watched it cuz my friends told me the ending. Woulda liked to see it & be mindfucked

Really now?

You can't have it both way's

He makes up a character who killed his wife therfor acknowledging she is dead. but refuses to acknowledge his children or their death?.. or that they died with her at the hands of Laediss?. if he is going to make up leadiss as the person who killed her, his children would be a part of that fabrication when "passing the buck|".


He is also seen in a loving embrace with his wife... he cant let go of her.... yet she killed his 3 children making him in turn kill her... really? I miss you killer of my treasured children but I refuse to even acknowledge them in in any way shape or form?

Can someone who has seen both this and Dr moreau compare n contrast a bit and then give a final judgment on which one is better plz

will help indicate if I should watch despite spoilers

Lol at just c you did watch the film right? He does dream about his kids. He sees them as dead victims in his war flashbacks and he sees her repeatedly through the film asking why didn't you save me.....

@Orc that sucks. First time you watch if not knowing the ending is sick the second time is even better. Its like a different film because you can clearly see now he is mental by how everyone act around him