Social Justice warriors/Feminists are ridiculous
 

you see the shit with Matt Taylor? The fucking guy landed a machine on an asteroid and they made him have to do a public apology because he wore a shirt with a scantily dressed woman on it.

Yeah it was dumb...nothing to do with social justice though, whether people are hiding behind that or not. Social justice is a good thing, but as with anything it is open to be misinterpreted by idiots.

He was dumb for apologizing too tho.

dudes lack balls now-a-days. niggas don't want to take on social justice groups that have become extreme like this. everyone just wants to bow down, now feminism is slowly reigning in everyday culture

This is why you can't have equality. 1 side is always pushing to gain more. I know this is slightly different but if it isn't someone throwing all sense of logic out of the window it's someone abusing the momentum they built from trying to gain parity into completely reversing the balance.

Gay rights, womens rights, racial equality, immigration, benefits, legal rights, human rights. were all racist greedy judgemental bastards who want nothing less than the advantage.

I think you are wrong man, some of the biggest names in social justice/ 3rd wave feminism is what helped cause this.

Naw it has everything to do with it bro. I agree it is why there can not be equality

Real shit tbc

Repped

Then they are misusing their cause.

Social justice, at its bare essentials, is definitely a good thing, but I know what you mean.

Social justice and feminism are definitely good things. People like this are more rightly classified as "sensitive pussies overreacting to shit". They are to social justice/feminism what the westborough baptist church is to Christianity.

As a guy that knows quite a lot of gays and political feminists/activists in general on most sides of the socialist coin I'm with you on this. The crazy fucks speak the loudest but far from speak for the majority, specially on the internet where there's way too many of these absolutely ludicrous Tumblr-maniacs to support crazy ideas that doesn't hold grounds in logic it's easy to get your views clouded as you'll base your understanding of it on the noise.

Edit: Just realized something as well. Feminist activism in the US seems to be quite different from how it works and is put to practice in Norway, so I probably shouldn't join the convo as I don't know exactly how different it is. But the sane/majority of people probably share the same mindset.

do you know what feminism is? like true feminism?

the problem with social justice and feminism is that so many ppl online use it as mask to lash out social groups they don't like. ie. many women who angry with men use it to bash males, genderqueer ppl will villify straight ppl, etc. under the guise of fighting equality, when really that isn't equality it's just lashing out.

but true feminism is a good thing. it is literally a belief that men and women should have equal rights, be paid equal amount of money for the same jobs, be allowed to make choices about their own bodies w/o govt interference, vast amount of issues this country has w/ rape, etc.

No, I disagree with you and Anime because this is now true feminism and the people leading it has hundreds of thousands of followers. go on hundreds of shows to promote it so that is what it has turned into now.

Just because it used to be good and needed doesn't mean it is still good or needed. "True Feminism" has became this.

Take Christina H Sommers who is a scholar and considered an old school feminist, She is attacked daily by hundreds and hundreds of "new feminists"

someone explain feminism to me

They want equality between men and women.

But if i can hold the door open for myself then bitch you can too ya arms ain't broke

Kidding. Idk either, buncha girls that need a good fucking b

WORD

my go to when women get uppity about equality is I CAN'T PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE THO

i got into it with a feminist dyke a few years ago on the very subject. and by got into it i was my charming hilarious non threatening self of a few years ago bantering playfully and mystically.

basically i said if i could punch you in the face we'd be equal

she was like no thats retarded, you "can't" punch a man in the face either. to which i countered, duh nigga. but that would just be "assault", if i punched you, its "assault on a woman" which is much more serious. to which she replied some PHOOEY about men having broader shoulders and narrower hips and just being genetically superior at punching humans in the face in reference to women.

to which i responded

THEN HOW ARE WE EQUAL

THEN I GOT HEAD FROM HER GIRLFRIEND

GO DO SOME DISHES HO

but nah in all seriousness tho, im not anti women, i'm anti this nonsense that they can do everything men can do. they can, not. physically and mentally we are not equal. I mean maybe if you consider 1 lb of iron and 1 lb of feathers equal, then yea sure we are equal. but im sure you don't want to get hit in the face with the pound of iron.

my point being, women are good at things. men are good at things. some of those things overlap. some don't

feminism to me is a delusion of people thinking that ALL those things overlap. they do not, to think so is to be misguided.

I HAVE SPOKEN

equal rights for all genders

literally nothing more than that

as evidenced itt tend white males typically fight it tooth and nail, much the same way they do any other form of equal rights movements by any marginalized person in this country (see civil rights, gay rights, immigrant rights, etc) because they enjoy being at the top of the power struggle.

the typical battle against feminism is to take the looniest ones online and showcase them as the voice of feminism. (like this thread)

as stated already that's basically the equivalent of using the westboro baptist church as an example of what christianity stands for, or ISIS for Islam, etc.

The fundamental ideology behind feminism is complete equality between men and women. It started as a movement for women due to the extreme inequality that reigned back in the day but the main drive and goal was always equal treatment towards both genders.

Just like politics it got different branches to it though so it's easy to get confused when people claim ''yay, feminism is winning'' and showcasing a man getting beat up by a woman when that's actually stepping away from it. That's not what a true feminist would want. For me the important part is to push for equality (while also acknowledging the biological differences in men and women) and say ''wait a minute, you're fucking up'' if someone choose to push for one gender as opposed to find a solution that works for both.

jesus fucking christ

physical strength and so forth is not the basis of equality. this 2014 not 1420.

"equality" in the case of feminism isnt about door holding, or if it's ok to punch them

it's things like being paid equal for the same job. white women in america make about 0.77 to a dollar of what a man makes for the same job on average. for minority women it's even worse.

state governments repeatedly attempt to ban birth control for women, or at least make it difficult to obtain. have no issues vs condoms or vasectomies.

fighting vs rape culture, etc.

there's a ton of other inequality issues I don't feel like typing out, and chances are you won't even read this shit but if you do I think you can get the gist?

someone explain equal rights to me?

nothing is equal in life. it is a genetic lottery, white males only have it better because of where they are born (generally speaking of course.) it all boils down to class issues as far as the white male privelege goes. white people from squalor go to the same deplorable schools as minorities which get no funding because the taxpayers in the districts make no money to fund it and the ones that do make a little money usually dump it into useless shit like sports programs so maybe one kid every 40 years makes it to the professional level while 500+ a year wash out with a terrible education living in the same terrible neighborhoods where they all fight for the same terrible jobs and end up looking for the same terrible shortcuts which lead to the beginning of the cycle where they have children ETC

as far as women tho, i don't get it. to me everything is already equal, in a sense. if my dream was to be a starbucks barista it would be pretty far fetched for them to hire a bald bearded hooligan who is straight. but if i was a woman, even an ugly fat one my chances would skyrocket. and on the flipside, no warehouse would choose the bulliest of dykes over me to move boxes and do manual labor. i'm a beast out here.

that in itself is a form of gender equality. but when you hear equality you think, well shit i have every right to be a barista and she has every right to be a laborer.

AND WE DO

my biggest problem with "gender equality" comes into play when you talk about marriages, and relationships involving kids. women are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ahead of men there, constantly.

i can't think of one, ONE scenario where men have such a stranglehold on any aspect of life, like women do when it comes to robbing men for there money, and there HAPPINESS/CHILDREN

And this is where Mens Rights comes into play, which is a branch of feminism. It's just that since shit's getting evened out in certain fields it tips the scale other places as well. As things get better new shit pop up that needs attention too. I agree 100% and A SHITLOAD OF FEMINISTS do too when it comes to this kind of shit. This is wrong and should be fought against, it's not equal, that's what feminists are for.

I voted for a political party in Norway that counts itself as feminist and those issues you pulled forth here is one of their agendas to work towards in order to reach equal rights for both parents when it comes to that shit.

i gagged a little bit at the mention of rape culture, not gonna lie.

@kannon to thread lol.

but nah for real i don't think i even understand what rape culture is, i've only heard comedians reference it in terms of like, them saying a rape joke and people being like omg thats not funny!!

but word objective, you live in the civilized world so feminism is probably different there. america is full of filthy ill informed barbarians who pick sides and hold them futilely in the hope that the side they chose is correct

is it like women afraid of being raped? because its a double edged sword yo. women see me and do one of two things

either hunger for my seed, smelling the pheromones of my delicious essence wafting from my elegant beard, or they literally shy away in fear of me.

this makes me feel like a MONSTER

so lets kill rape culture. women should see me as the lovable tender adorable god i am. not as someone who could easily overpower and penetrate them sexually.

How is that the case when the ones mentioned in this thread is on cnn, colbert report, foxnews, new york times, la times, and 200 other news outlets. with millins of followers? That is not picking the looniest ones that is picking the ones in power

also if you take milk and you keep pouring water in it to change it after so long it will become water. feminism is the same way, when the 1st wave feminists started getting tripled by 3rd wave it stopped being about equality and starting being extreme.

this is hardly a case of "showcasing" a few loonies when they have voice to millions, college tours, national broadcasting and etc.

I'm a menimist

equality is equality

fuck all that, u want equality, ur fucking fighting for equality. not "feminism", because that is the belief guys are treated like gods compared to women when tbh, most women cruise control through life. if women want feminism to occur, erase all gender roles, double standards, etc that both genders use, and we can start fresh. but it won't happen because feminism isn't truly equal. even non-extreme feminism isn't fucking equality or the belief in that. ex. haven't heard a feminist soul speak on the 1 in 5 or whatever college rape stat that's falsified, or how some girls claim rape because they regret it. it's all about MEN instead of equality when it comes to feminism, ironically

@Passenger I see feminism as the subset of egalitarianism ("equal rights for all") which deals specifically with women's rights/issues. You can be a feminist and not be an egalitarian, which makes you a shitty human being, but you can't be an egalitarian without being a feminist. Even if most feminists are not egalitarians (which I don't believe to be true), that doesn't mean they are shitty people because they are feminists, it means they are shitty people because they are not egalitarians.

Feminism is the belief that women should have the same rights and opportunities as men. That's it. If you agree with that, you are a feminist.

@uh-oh if Starbucks won't hire you because of your gender or appearance that is some form of discrimination, certainly, but not an argument against feminism. If a warehouse won't hire a woman because she is a woman, that's a feminist issue. If a warehouse won't hire "a person" because there are other applicants, male or female, who are better suited to the job, that's just common sense. Not a feminist issue.

Men's rights are often the other side of the same coin. Especially the one you bring up. Why do you think courts/authorities think it's an acceptable arrangement for a father to pay huge amounts of child support and hardly get to see his kids? Because "men are providers and women are nurturers". Feminism tries to erase this belief and replace it with the belief that both parents have a responsibility to provide for and nurture their children.

Someone asked what rape culture is.

Rape is sex without consent. It is not just sex where a woman is struggling and screaming no.

Rape culture is (amongst other things) a belief that having sex with a woman who is too drunk/high to give consent, or who is even passed out, is not rape. Or is "not so bad", "not a huge deal". Take the Stuebenville trial for example. I don't believe those kids are monsters, I just believe they are extremely dumb and they grew up in a culture that eventually led them to hold the abovementioned beliefs. They are still rapists. But look how many people defended them and their actions. Look how much media attention was devoted to 'what a shame these young mens' lives have been destroyed' instead of the impact on the girl.

Rape culture is also the belief that if a woman is initially reluctant, it's OK to keep pressuring her until she gives in. So long as she's not saying no while your dick is in her, it's not rape. Great example is this scene from Rocky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_IZ79Lhkx0

Rape culture is when people shift part of the blame for rape onto the victim. "What was she wearing?", "was she drunk?", "was she acting slutty?" etc.

From what I've seen, +2 dominate.

This.

Reed also.

When talking about rape culture, please for the love of God... Also include the countless of men that have experienced being taken advantage of as well and it's considered funny, not a big deal, nothing to worry about etc. on the false belief that all men want sex anyways. This includes minors having sex with teachers and babysitters at a young age to being taken advantage of while intoxicated (this shit go both ways) and sexual harassment/pressure at the workplace and it being taken lightly by society etc.

You're right. Apologies for the omission.

yall niggas gay

but nah lol show me where them steubenville kids were pitied?

everything i seen depicted them as monsters, no one thinks its cool to get a chick drunk/roofie her to sleep with her. you act like this is accepted in society

also no woman is to blame for being RAPED, but women who objectify themselves by having their titties and ass out can't complain when men catcall and ogle them etc. yoga pants are accepted by society but if i breathe in like tssssssssss and bite my knuckle somehow i'm a villain? its in my dna nigga. don't show me your ass, i can see your pussy. everything in me wants to spread the seed in anything remotely decent looking, this doesnt mean im gonna RAPE

but you gotta understand on the flipside of the coin that mens brains operate completely differently in general

saying all men want sex is not a lie, all HUMANS want sex, in general, unless they have mental DISORDERS and are asexual or were abused etc

but yo to me its DISGUSTING that if me and a chick fuck, and she thinks, nah i shouldnt have did that the next day, or even NEXT WEEK/YEAR/DECADE, she can say it was rape, even if she consented to it with a clear mind at the time

so fuck that

there should be levels to rape like levels to murder, you can't have the same cut and dry rape charge for everything. if something like that scenario happens that i presented, it shouldnt carry the same charge and villainization as some homeless guy cornering and fucking a chick in a laundromat forcefully

lolno

(maybe if you weren't r/NoFapper, disgusting crud on his face having, weirdo learning the ways of seduction from other reddit weirdos you'd not have such women issues)

rape is rape. if there's consent not rape. if not consent, it is rape. it is cut and dry. it's that simple.

and jfc

women who show off their bodies aren't objectifying themselves ffs

they want attention? maybe, probably, quite likely.

but the attention they want isn't having obscenities shouted at them, or being made to feel threatened.

a gang of dudes yelling "NICE TITS BITCH" aggressively is in no way acceptable.

of course we all want sex, but the problem women have with cat calling / street harassment is that is not how you go about getting it.

if she looks fine and you are turned on by her, how about act like a civil person, treat her like a human when you talk to her, and maybe you'll actually succeed instead of being called a villain? shrug

as for regret, yes, that does happen and it is unfortunate. but the thing is the minority can't ruin it for everybody. but nobody brings up the fact that type of toxic behavior is an issue feminists discuss. as is sexual assaults against men, and the toxic belief that a man can't be sexually harassed or assaulted.

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages...ville-verdict/

Yeah, I think they can. They can't blame a guy for having a look and for having sexual thoughts about them, - that's all inside his own head and doesn't affect them. But catcalling and ogling are a good level up from that and I can understand that that could seem threatening. It's not that far of a leap to claim she's asking for you to try to pick her up because of how she dresses.

If it's where she will see/hear you, yes. Absolutely. You might as well shout "IM THINKING BOUT HAVIN SEX WITH YOU". It's antisocial and threatening behaviour. If she's not in earshot then it's harmless. I'd do the same.

Yes we have urges. We have a lot of urges. We control them when it's inappropriate to act on them. If I'm starving I don't ogle over a stranger's delicious smelling food or initiate a conversation about it with them and tell them "don't worry I'm not going to steal it, I'm just looking". Because I don't want to make that person uncomfortable and they've given me no indication that they're interested in sharing their food with me.


It's disgusting to me too. But again, that a mens' rights issue exists does not mean that a womens' rights issue is "cancelled out". To be fair though, I think a very very small percentage of rape cases are of this nature. More would be where the man believed he had obtained valid consent by wearing her down after she was initially reluctant or where she was drunk/high but he thought she was in a fit state to have sex. Really, if a woman is as enthusiastic about having sex with you as you are about having sex with her, I think the chances of her calling rape are verrrrry slim.

I agree, but I think there is, in practice if not in name. There might not be different names for "levels" of rape, but the sentencing takes into account the nature of the act.

So women should be allowed to wear and do as they wish but men have to be controlled even verbally around them?

Hey you can walk around showing ur tits but unless u get written consent she is feeling you then you can not speak on said titties because it is "harassment"

that hsit is fucking ridiculous. ur not treating women equal your treating women special which congrats its what they want. u fall into the feminist category.

if a man walks around with his dick hanging out he is going to get reaction, they dont because they represent themself in a different way

so its ok for women to do? equality isnt what your after

Also Feminists 1st,3rd and social justice warriors are ALL on this "dont victim blame nor question the victim" which means they want someone to be prosecuted strictly on someones word.this is the kind of shit yall are going for. which is absolutely absurd. cuz women lie as well.

WANNA rape bb In butt

plus I work int he video game field and the tech field. which is full of this bullshti constantly. Constant complaints there is not enough women yet there was only 3 women in my entire course of study, then in this field you get complaints constantly that its a boys club why? because we do not make game characters based on women. instead of doing things for themselves they want things done for them which is not equality. you claim n think its one or two loony people being shown light. well the same bitch that was on fucking cnn and colbert report is the same one with 2 million women behind her and a international college tour telling people that video games are bad because they portray women wrong, that you can not question a victim and it is wrong to think you can. that if you wear a shirt with a titty hanging out in the office you should be allowed to instead of being presentable for work but "questioning a womans appearance" is misogynistic. I see this every day and deal with it every single day. the rape culture is a fucking myth to no one thinks its ok to rape anyone other then the rapists.

its ok to say :sad these boys lives is ruined" you know why because they are.