hoo cares

Couple of questions:

What is the purpose of free will?

Is there free will in heaven?

Why did god create humans?

Just to be clear, @Veritas

You are arguing that because the theory of evolution does not explain how the simplest forms of life first came about, the entire theory is debunked?

yes, fossil evidence was planted by demons
get with it dom!

1. This has already happened. Once you understand that the deterministic vs free will thing is easily understood. I.e. you can do whatver you choose but god already knows the end of your choice. The whole purpose of free will is to choose to give it away for Gods will. Too soon?

2. I do not know.

3. To glorify Him.

poor V, intellectual in every other arena...

It is so simple it is profound:

We are given two choices of what to believe caused us to be here.

1. God made us us
2. We evolved into us

Any intelligent person can realize that choice 2 is nonsense. All I have to do is keep asking *where did that come from?* and sooner or later *I dont know* is that amswer.

So instead of having faith in evolution I will have it in God.

Easy.

/thread

nvm. from your first post its clear that's your line of thought.


Or 3. God made the universe and all the physical laws that govern it. Evolution happened as a consequence.

Why not^ ?


Also, the theory of evolution doesn't concern itself with how life initially came about, only with how life evolved from one form to another. Even if we accept your premise that god created life, this does not disprove evolution.

Why?

Lol the thread is prove God. I proved God through disproving evolution without god os possible....keep up.

You didnt.

but Why do you think the existance of god and evolution are mutually exclusive?

Wait, I'm going to rephrase the question

I dont. Others do. I also do not belive in evolution...but I am humoring its existence to show it is not mutually exclusive.


Proving that you will either have faith in god or evolution. I choose god.


Now....evolution is stupid. And mathematically impossible.

I do believe animals adapt over time...but for a fish to eventually become a bird is nonsense.

First, your conception of evolution is flawed. evolution is not an antithesis to god. The existence of god and the existence of evolution are compatible. Proving evolution does not disprove the existance of god and proving the existence of god does not disprove evolution.

But the crux of tour argument is that because science can't explain the origin of life, god must exist.

I don't see the logic behind that. Science finds new knowledge every day. We don't know the origin of life YET, and we may become extinct before we become able to explain it.

Regardless, a lack of proof for one theory does not prove another. That's just not how logic works. Where two theories are mutually exclusive, actually disproving one does prove the other. But a lack of proof is far from a disproof.

v/dom

Thank you for proving my point. You may see it in time.

Now...let me disprove evolution:

Why have we never seen anything evolve?

Because its a gradual process that takes years, decades even.
Do you know what man made selective breeding is?
Do you think the dairy cow you get your milk from existed in the wild?
It was selectively breeded by man thousands of years ago from Aurochs.
Do you think a sausage dog existed in the wild? It was selectively
breeded by man from other breeds of dogs which if you follow the chain
back came from wolves. There wasn't a point where a wolf gave birth
to a fucking sausage dog.

Do you think trees are alive?

Bare with me.

1) Yes, there is free will in Heaven. Lucifer was a prime example of this. Without free will he wouldn't have had the ability to choose rebellion and an attempt to stage a coup, in which he failed miserably and was given an ultimatum along with 1/3rd of the angels he convinced to follow him. That resulted in all of them being the first inmates in their state's jail, we know as hell.

2) There's a debate among theologians whether God specifically created people to go to hell, and it's based on this scripture;

"The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
- Proverbs 16:4

3) One of the greatest misconceptions of all time concerning Christianity and biblical ideology is the idea that heaven is the final destination. This is simply not true. I believe it was the theolegian Dr. Myles Munroe who said; "God created angels to sing. I wouldn't want to hear you sing either", and even went on to say "God doesn't even want you in heaven, that's why he's going to start it all over again with a new earth."

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
- Revelation 21:1

@oats, remember Hume's Problem of induction? Consider that we are assuming pleasure/good is the inherent (default) state. This is an assumption. In other words, evil ought have equal prevalence.

Veritas is making legitimate arguments, far better than anything I've heard IRL.

You are a good man for it.

Still, I don't believe in a God.

Gingers dont have souls so God doesn't care tbh.

thanks meth, you have become a proverb now interestingly....I will explain if you feel like hearing it.

Can someone translate this into English for me?

itt veritas fails to disprove evolution, and thinks the ideas are exclusive

Dude....I proved that no one can prove that God and evolution are mutually exclusive, thusly proving that for all the people who say god is not real/did not create us....have no basis but their faith in the idea.

To be blind to this means you are willfully blind or have an agenda or both.

Keep up James.

i never said god and evolution have to be mutually exclusive. you said you could disprove evolution. you didnt.

V, I guess that is true for those who believe that evolution is the only disproof of God.

Not to mention we see animals evolve and mutate all the time. We've been doing it since the dawn of civilization i.e animal husbandry.

I see that you are trying to show that the idiocy of blind faith is not a solely religious tendency... But the inability of people to argue their arguments is inconclusive, especially when it's something so widely conceptualized as God vs. Science


If there is a God, what function does he serve?

the first part was getting people to change their whole viewpoint of "god did not make us, we evolved". you already know a lot of people say that. I am glad that we can agree that God could have possibly created evolution.

I am slowly breaking down your stance James. next step:


(before I begin, I want to say that I believe that animals adapt. I also believe that evolution occurs, such as you have evolved mentally from your teenage years. this is dealing with DARWINIAN evolution, in that man came from monkey, came from bird, came from fish, came from amoeba etc.)

DISPROVING EVOLUTION BY ASKING SIMPLE QUESTIONS:

1. WHAT ARE THE STATISTICAL PROBABILITIES OF SOMETHING BEING IMPOSSIBLE? 1 X 10 TO THE WHAT POWER? AFTER YOU FIGURE THIS OUT...BE AMAZED AT THE PROBABILITIES OF THE CHANCES OF THE FIRST LIVING CELL JUST HAPPENING BY CHANCE. IF SOMETHING IS MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, HOW CAN IT HAPPEN?

2. HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY RECORDED EVIDENCE/PROOF OF AN ANIMAL EVOLVING INTO AN ENTIRELY NEW CREATURE?

3. MODERN GENETICISTS HAVE PROVEN THAT THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO FISH GENES IN A BIRD AND VICE VERSA...HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE>?

4. AT WHAT POINT TO ANIMALS STOP EVOLVING? HOW COME FISH JUST STAY FISH NOW? HOW COME BIRDS STAY BIRDS?

5. IS THIS EVOLUTION MAGIC SPONTANEOUS? IS IT FISH SWIMMING THEN "POOF" THE FISH IS A BIRD AND IT HAPPENS SO QUICK THAT WE DON'T EVEN SEE IT, AND ISNT THAT A MIRACLE AND PROOF OF GOD LOLZ?

6. WHAT OF THE ANIMALS THAT HAD TO EXIST EXACTLY AS THEY ARE OR ELSE THEY WOULD NOT EXIST? MEANING THAT THE TIME IT TOOK FOR THEM TO EVOLVE INTO THEIR NEW FORM WOULD HAVE KILLED THEM? CONSIDER THE GIRAFFE.

THIS ALL GOES BACK TO THE FACT THAT NO ONE CAN SAY FOR SURE HOW THIS ALL STARTED. NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN ANY PROOF OF EVOLUTION "IT IS A THEORY"


HAVE FAITH IN EVOLUTION OR HAVE FAITH IN GOD. I CHOOSE GOD.

CARRY ON.

the argument for this point is that at this current moment in time they do not need to evolve due to them living just fine as is. Something doesn't evolve if there is no need and it fits in fine with its current environment. But in saying this wouldnt an animal go extinct before it evolved?

I concur.

Loling at anyone believing in adaptation but not evolution

How does adaptation occur, Veritas

you don't have to have faith in either

you can look at both objectively and not take a stance

evolution makes sense to me

god doesnt. that doesnt mean i discount the possibility of god in favor of evolution.

and things stop evolving when they have no need to. think of a shark, or an alligator. they've been the same for a long time because nothing is forcing them to change. they are perfectly suited to the enviornments and lives they live

and you are thinking evolution is like pokemon

it doesnt happen instantly, it takes thousands of years. if you look at the same creature, and fossils of it in intervals you can see the slow change over thousands of generations

one animal just doesnt wake up completely different one day

apes just didnt give birth to a human. they slowly evolved to where we are now

gorillas didnt become super advanced because they have no need to in there enviornment. they are perfectly suited for it. the same with chimps and other monkeys

there is no need for them to evolve, unless you count humans

but we are still so new to them there is no way they could evolve fast enough to combat us

so they will all die off. unless we just leave them alone

@uh-oh

What change necessitated walking on back legs?

I'm still none the wiser as to why that happened.

VERITAS dumb as fuck
evolution's validity does nothing to prove or disprove god's existence

I wonder if God evolved from the God-Ape.
I think I might start believing in the God-Ape.

there are a few reasons thrown about. one being that it uses less energy. humans evolved in the plains of the savannah, where chimps and gorillas are forest/jungle dwellers, its advantageous for them to move about on all fours simply because of the terrain itself, try and trip something walking on four legs for example lol.

this is all theory though. but yea another factor bounced around is the fact that you can see farther standing on two legs, and in the plains of the savanah this is very advantageous if theres a saber tooth or a lion or something you can be alerted faster. like think of meerkats and shit. so being constantly on the lookout, combined with less energy being used (which is debateable, they studied it on chimps but it was even. some used more, some used less, which also can be used to prove the selectiveness of evolution in general, those who used less energy on 2 legs could be more likely to breed and pass on the trait)

but yea from spotting predators, to energy use basically is what i buy into the most. other theories were we learned to use tools so we needed to free up our hands.

i personally believe its the opposite, us having free hands led to us making tools and etc, not the other way around.

but word from there we supposedly lost our fur and were able to sweat to keep ourselves cool in the plains

i just buy into the energy saving thing because to this day there are men who RUN ANIMALS TO DEATH

so us having the endurance and the ability to see farther, led us to not only detect threats, but keep shit we're after on the horizon, chasing down dumbass deers and shit that get tired and die before we do


but yea it was basically an energy and lookout thing

you'll find a billion explanations online tho because no one knows for sure

Adaptation vs evolution is easy.

Nothing changes its genetic code into the code of another entire animal.


Uhoh....you have never seen god nor anything evolve....why out faith in evo and not god


Also dead at things no longer need to evolve! Rofklflskdkdkdken. What decides that? Please elaborate mwjaahahahahaabababahamwhaah

Dude for the third time I was only saying that most people think like that and showing them that both take an act of faith.

I see no one has googled the math of probability limits either...lol