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Depends on context. If she's on the train reading a book she almost certainly isn't interested in being approached by a stranger. If you're at a party, of course you can go say hi and see if she seems into you.

Ive seen plenty of people strike up convos literally over a book being read. respectable ones


Also I had a argument with a real popular feminists who was on the colbert report recently who blamed school shootings on maculinity and says all PIV intercourse could be considered rape

ima go play gta but im just saying i think feminism as a whole looks at the world wrong and if we want real equality we need to stop thinking certain things happening to one gender is more important then to another

ok

lemme be more precise since you take it to the most hyperbolic situation

You are in a non social setting - you are on the train, you sit next to a girl, she has on headphones or she's reading a book THIS IS AN OBVIOUS RED LIGHT.

vs

A setting that promotes socializing, say a bar, you sit down at the bar next to a chick who's fine as fuck. She smiles at you, and faces toward you. THIS IS AN OBVIOUS GREEN LIGHT.

vs


you're in the club, she's dancing with her female friend, and you kinda dance your way over to her. you enter her personal space and she doesn't even look at you. THIS IS NOT OBVIOUS, BUT IT'S A RED LIGHT
^she noticed you in her personal space, she noticed you probably as you started approaching her. she has no interest in you and she doesn't want to shoot you down because women generally feel bad about it, so she's ignoring you. if you repeatedly tap her, or shout to her HEY WANNA DANCE, or, just dance up on her w/o speaking. yes, this creates a vibe that says "I want you and don't care what you want".

OR maybe she didn't notice you at all, and maybe she WOULD like you, but would you be ok with possibly ruining a nice girl's night over a 50/50 chance? if you would be ok with that maybe reevaluate how you treat ppl.


also understand, talking to the girl in scenario one creates the same vibe. you're telling her I want to [talk to] you and I don't care if you don't want to [talk to] me.

you're ignoring the non verbal "no". replace [talk to] with [fuck] and it's the same exact mindset. that mindset scares women.

like I don't get how a resounding amount of women are saying "this bothers us please stop" and you saying "I don't think it should bother you so I won't stop" and not give yourself a creep vibe?

Hmmm yeah actually if you start a conversation about the book OK. I was thinking more like if she was reading and you just sat down next to her to say "hi how are you I'm GOW", which is different, because in the latter situation you're basically saying "stop what you're doing, I want to flirt with you", whereas in the former you're not.

Stop replying to me for a sec so can read your link lol.

this is perfect proof that you don't get it because feminism doesn't say that at -all- but ok

also the chick that claimed all PIV is rape, if it is who I think it is, is a self proclaimed "radfem" aka RADICAL feminist.

and she even states in her blog that she is disappointed that very few other "radical feminists DONT AGREE"

http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/...lways-rape-ok/

so uh yeah, you as stated in the very beginning are presenting "radicals" and saying it's the norm.


also, as for the school shootings, I believe the term feminists use is "toxic masculinity" which is the belief that society puts pressure on men to never be able to cry or express their feelings because it isn't masculine and it leads to things like suicidal tendencies and violent behavior <<< this is not BLAMING MEN FOR EVERYTHING BAD. it's also A SOCIAL ISSUE PERTAINING TO MALES that feminists are fighting for BUT YOU'RE RIGHT GOW THEY WANT EVERYTHING FOR THEMSELVES AND DONT WANNA HELP BOTH GENDERS

But where is the example of feminists saying a guy politely introducing himself ("saying hi") is not ok? This guy is talking about directly propositioning for sex.

@Sharp I see you lurking. Tag in plz.

GOW I have a fun idea for an expiriment that might settle this.

Give me a list of 5 or so things that you think most feminists believe. I will then post it on a feminism forum (surely one exists) and ask if they agree that these ideas represent them.

are you fucking kidding me dude, i have been ind epth in it for the last6 months, every day having to deal with it, yet ur going to tell me feminism doesnt say that. fuck out of here. i have posted proof it says that plus there is a lot of proof out there saying it says it. from high profile feminist leaders of today.

Again I have been knee deep in this for 6 months dealing iwth it every day. this isnt shit just read in an article or posted on a feminist blog, this is shit said by high profile feminists with huge followers who appar on national tv to promote this type of shit. people like anita sarkeesian and etc

so.. six months? I'm guessing you're a gamer gater? so you been arguing on twitter and now you're an expert on feminism? k

it's obvious you don't know who the high profile feminist leaders are when you quoted a self proclaimed RADICAL who admits VERY FEW OTHER RADICALS share her belief that PIV is always rape, and presented that as a standard feminist belief. so yeah, I'd say you don't get it.

can you read this post and address this portion of it?

So I actually am not a part of gamergate, but I am in the tech industry where it is running rampant right now

and you think Anita having hundreds of thousands of followers, national news boradcastings, major media attention, internation speak tours.

is not a representation of new feminism? how about the fucking tons and tons of big name feminists over the last 10 years who all side with her and quote her shit daily?

let me guess because it isnt what u remember feminism to be then it obviously cant be that now?

Nah let's do this, it'll be fun. What specifically do you believe most feminists believe?

- you shouldn't ever politely introduce yourself to a girl unless she talks to you first or eyes you.

Is that one?

You think I care at all about what a couple hundred girls on a forum say compared to the few hundred thousand in the industry I am in says?

Obviously,

- wearing a shirt with naked women on it is sexist

Yes?

nope it isn;t

anita is an awful example of feminism tho, and she's a pretty solid example of what feminism shouldn't be

and yes, it is a shame she has as many followers as she has, and the support she has.

when I think of feminism, I think of people who do things that serve everyone

anita is a self serving bitch who ran away with thousands of dollars on a project that she never went through with.

it is a mind set, and a belief system. just because she has the loudest voice doesn't mean she represents it.

Because the actual words of a cross section of self identified feminists is probably more representative of what feminists believe than what you assume they believe based on your interactions with them?

But that is what I am tryign to say bro

if the minority becomes the majority then the meaning changes. you cant negate that right>? ur idea of feminism I believe in but this new wave of feminism is over taking it by a fast speed and a huge amount and its what I am complaining about.

if 1 hundred million people follow anita

and 50 follow your idea

feminism is now going to mean what there saying it because majority rules. and it will be turned into that.

its not what I assume dumb ass its what they say THEMSELVES, thru lectures , presentations, articles, etc

I'm asking if that's a thing you believe feminists believe, not whether you believe it.

you gotta think tho a twitter follower doesn't necessarily mean you believe EVERYTHING she stands for

like, when you talk to regular chicks with feminist beliefs the norm is what we're trying to tell you.

like I follow and interact with a shit load of chicks who claim themselves feminists on tumblr and none of them think men shouldn't approach or speak to women, but simply not harass them.

these are porn bloggers btw so I'm talking about very openly sexual people. so the belief that feminists are anti sex is absurd.

but thats what I am saying bro in a sexual field of course there going to understand sexuality more. but I dont just mean twitter followers I mean even other big named women is quoting people like her which is what has me like wtf is this what it is becoming

A dude wearing a shirt with a female on it should never of even been mentioned. but now with how interactive everyone is we control the media and etc with social outlets. When you have major writers defending stuff like what Anita says you got to think to yourself. is this shit the way its heading.

I agree with this and I also agree it is getting out of control, mainly because it is something that is very easy for the media to sensationalize and they are very effective at it due to lots of practice over the years...the media may show us the radicals, and they may appear to be the biggest and most prominent voices but they are only there because they will make statements that will cause outrage, which makes the media organisation money...it is definitely a problem, you're right, but the idea and the concept of feminism IS one of fairness and there are PLENTY of feminists who genuinely do stand for equality for all, there are many many feminists who dedicate a lot of time to men's issues as well, but they don't necessarily appear on tv or other media outlets because what they have to say will not cause such outrage among people and will not be good for business...but they are out there dude, and they are doing some very very important work.

Blame the media, blame the extremists, but don't write off feminism as 'anti-men' just because those who aren't don't get seen as much...they don't get seen because the media aren't interested in showing them, because it won't make them money.

GTFO

if thats rape you know how many fat bitches that have RAPED ME in my life? nigga every fat bitch in the 330 is bout to go to jail for rape right now

i've woken up next to the most disgusting of creatures, it was my actions that led to that. i was the one who decided to get shitfaced, the times i was coherent enough to have images and memories of fucking around, im the one initiating it

if your gonna sit there and try and say if im sober and a drunk beautiful chick is fucking with my dick and sucking on my earlobe im supposed to say no? nigga eat a dick. she shoulda said no to them shots while she was turning up on a tuesday

its hard for me to respond tho to this thread as i've been at work all day and alot of points have been raised.

but yo, if i go up to a chick, and say "hey beautiful" thats considered catcalling. when in reality im just complimenting her yo

if im tskkkkkking and biting my knuckle, its not for her to see wtf this isnt the 1950's, its for any men around me, im clowning yo and letting them know like damn i think that bitch is badddddd

if i point a chick out to the homie like jesus christttttt that ain't hurting nobody as we secretly ogle her. if we say hello as she comes back out and try and get her to come chill, that ain't rape culture nigga

if i leave the house in my ravens fitted and some browns fans comment on it, I KNOW THATS A POSSIBILITY WHEN I LEAVE THE HOUSE

WHEN A CHICK LEAVES THE HOUSE WITH HER BOOTY BUBBLING AND THEM YOGA PANTS DIGGIN IN THEM PUSSY FLAPS, SHE KNOWS ITS A POSSIBILITY SOMEONES GONNA SAY SOMETHING

THIS IS REAL LIFE. NOT FAIRY TALE LAND

LMAO uh-oh on the real shit

THANK YOU

I think you both completely missed the point they were trying to make.

I love you both though, and we're all different...I'm pretty sure nobody in this thread is a rapist or someone who wants to hurt women, or anyone.

I think the way to live is just treat people with respect as much as possible, and have empathy, always think about how you would react to what you say if someone said it to you...if you do that, you're probably gonna be a good person, we can debate this all day, but as long as nobody is actually hurting anyone, that's what matters.

And I'm super drunk bros.

but word, its a different story if a disgusting cretin intentionally gets me inebriated past the point of no return with the intentions of doing so so i will fuck her


any dude that is feeding a chick drinks just to take her home is a piece of trash

we all agree on the basics, in essence, we just disagree on the little details. what offends one chick, might turn another chick on. all women aren't the same, just as all men aren't the same. im 1000 percent testosterone and barbarian where you guys might not be there like that. which is fine. some of the chicks i go for might not go for your timid approach, while on the flipside some of the chicks you guys get will think me brash and an animal

everyones different, when you try and draw lines in the sand its retarded

anyone raised by anyone that wasnt an actual animal of another species knows when an interaction is rude/unnecesary or whatever

if i can't walk up to a chick and tell her i want to suck her pussyflaps off then why even live? i would never say that to an uppity white chick reading a book at a table in subway. i have a brain. but i should be able to say that to some sleazeball in a bar/party without being judged by some dyke who thinks all women should be as miserable as her

Is this for real? What's next? Having all TV producers & heads of Commercial Marketing departments apologize?