Rubbish. I hold women to exactly the same standards. If a man has his dick out I expect him to get arrested. If a women literally has her titties out I expect the same. If she's showing cleavage or wearing tight jeans, that's her right and no a man does not have a right to catcall her because of it. Similarly, if a man is shirtless or wearing those super tight compression pants you can see te outline of your dick through or w/e a woman doesn't have the right to catcall him because of it.

Maybe you'd see it better if I put it like this: instead of a woman catcalling you, who is not physically threatening and whom you might be imagining is somewhat attractive, imagine it's one of those gay dudes that hit the gym HARD. A dude that is fuck off big, that you can easily gauge you have no chance to best him if it comes to that. Imagine you're going about your business. Maybe you went for a run and it's hot so you're wearing shorts and you took your shirt off. The gay guy ogles you and wolf whistles as you walk by. How you feeling?

I am o.k. with it, if no one puts there hands on me and if i said look im nopt down with it im good with where i am. and then they stop im good.

pursuit is a part of the process, plus women do the same exact thing but don't get any mention at all thats my point for true equality it shouldnt even be called fucking feminism lol it should be equalinism or some shit

plus I see plenty of women half naked then get mad when someone even compliments then. attraction is a part of life especially sexual attraction. for you to say its wrong is ridiculous. I see a lot of mind sets where they think if the women is ok with it its k to pursue the man. thats a one way street needing to have 2 way implementations.

and also in one fucking sentance you are saying to treat someone equally and not judge by how they look then you turn around and describe the man as being muscular and intimidating. so which is it?

ur mind set is why social justice is fucking gay bro

because you want to call for equality but its not , even ur mind is biased whether you admit it or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu90...4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd

look at this man, facts on the "date rape drug" shit.

Also the 77 cent on a dollar shit anime tried to put out is false

women 40-67 make an average of 47 thousand a year while men 40 to 67 make an average of 40 thousand a year

why does that seem fucked up? because men work an average of 43 hours per week while women work an average of 41

dick is not the same as tits

cleavage is not the same as nude tits??

if women said the things men said to them, back to men, that is also considered harassment and was already touched on in this thread?

nobody needs written consent to be hit on. flirting and offensive harassment are not one in the same. i don't understand how this is hard to grasp.

itsd hard to grasp because its not the rule. it doesnt get talked about, it doesnt get presented

real human rights activists talk about men and women not just women. you can claim they do but they don't they talk about womens rights not human rights. and never almost never men

And if they don't stop? And if they call out something demeaning? "Hey sweet pea, turn around for me and lemme see that tight ass". How's that? And you gotta deal with it constantly.

Already addressed this in this thread. Feminism vs egalitarianism (that's the word you want). See above.

Of course it's ok to be attracted to someone lol. It's how you choose to act on that attraction that might not be OK. If a girl is wearing yoga pants, it's probably bc she's on her way to/from yoga, and not because she wants random men to approach her. And no, again, I don't hve a double standard- it is NOT ok for a woman to engage a man bc of the way he dresses either. Your whole argument seems to be that sexism affects men too so therefore we should all just stfu and accept things the way they are. I disagree. I think sexism against both genders should be addressed.

Promoting equality doesn't mean ignoring physical facts. By and large, men are bigger and stronger than women, so when a man catcalls a woman it can be perceived as physically threatening, which is not the case vice versa. Which is why I tried the analogy of the buff gay gay. Still doesn't make women catcalling men OK.

In this particular thread we are mostly talking about women's rights (aka feminism). That doesn't mean I don't also support equality for other groups/everyone.

I hope you have a daughter :)

So its not ok to feel saddened by boys ru8ining there lives? ur one way man

Do you feel sad about other rapists ruining ther lives?

Not one way at all. If a couple girls had done this to a boy who'd passed out I'd have little sympathy for them either.

lol there is 800 thousand cases of physical abuse per year from women doing it to men, i don't think using "physical" facts is less one sided them the ":wearing a tight dress" argument

also without random people approaching each other how do you think people meet? get married? etc?


and in this particular thread we are talking bout womens rights yes but talking about them being turned into womens privilege which is what is happening. you say you hope i have a daughterm why I have a son its worse for him right now because no matter what he does he will be seen as a villian while the female counterpart will be seen as something needing to be protected. your fucking out your mind if you dont think that is the case or you literally dont involve yourself in it in real life other then a few internet threads so lets go over some facts

approaching someone you find attractive not misogynistic or harassment
womendo nto earn less then men in most of the same fields
women account for 800 thousand slots of the abuse cases every year
the date rate drug shit is basically a myth based ont he facts and actual reposts taking from hospitals and etc

your rape culture myth is just that its myth as no one promotes rape but rapists, approaching someone is not rape.

most women naturally dont want to approach men its been researched and proven.

women tend to go more for careers in the medical field such a snurses which is in the 90's percent of women and in research women were said to choose that career because it is more hands on

feminists want equality yet want all rights to choose whether to have a child or not, so a man has to be a father or not based on what the women chooses

none of that is equality

feminism and social justice is fucking bullshit and should not be around

rofl

these dudes raped a girl and evil feminists are hurting innocent rapists

gow pls take a break

you realise most rapists have mental conditions yes? so yes I feel sad a man cant mentally tell what not to do and there for ruins his life because at some point he did not seek medical help.

lmao u one of them dudes that go out there and stand up for women to be treated better then men because u think they deserve special treatment.


lmao anime out ont he corner with a flag with a fertility sign on it waving it right now screamin WOMENS RIGHTSSS

Yeah. I'm gonna stop. Pointless to argue with him.

@uh-oh I haven't given up on you yet :)

gow pls

"random people approaching each other"

NOBODY IS BOTHERED BY THIS FFS

a stranger approaching another stranger RESPECTFULLY is not frowned upon by anyone.

HARASSMENT as in, DISRESPECTFUL remarks that make ppl feel uncomfortable is what ppl take issue with.

If a girl gives off the nonverbal cues that she wants to be talked something like "Hi, I'm [anime_boners], you look real nice just want you to know, etc. <<< perfectly acceptable and successful way to meet women

"YO BABY I LIKE THEM TITS" *proceeds to follow her up dark, empty street shouting things of this nature* "FUCK YOU THEN BITCH, LEARN TO TAKE A COMPLIMENT"

^this is not acceptable

how can you not see the difference here

lmao you are no different them the extremists man, soon as facts are proven n presented u pick and choose what to reply to or quit.

i'm guessing dom is trolling the thread

troll?

I see the difference and understand that bro

but you do realise the approach in general is being scrutinized. as I said i see this fight everyday by people with major backings, the last multi national argument i seen a few days ago was a woman should not be approached at all unless she feels she wants ot be

that makes no sense and it got up national attention and agreement. lmao how the fuck do u know someone wants ot be approached without approaching them?

What specifically have I said that's extreme? Quote me please.

its not what you said its what you choose to ignore, this is about equality and i have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, so has many scholars that feminism is now not about equality. yet you choose the facts you want to reply to and ignore others.

as i said someone like christina hoff sommers is one of the 1st wave feminists and is a very educated and smart women, she proves shit with facts u need to check her out

Not at all. At no point were we talking about politely introducing yourself. We were talking about catcalling. That's it.

@nyc, no, no troll. You're an intelligent person. Present your points. I'll listen.

you just wont pay attention or reply to them if it makes sense lol

and


do you realise ther was a video and over 30000 men were used as a beuaitful women walked by them and out of all them men only 2 percent of 30 thousand men cat called the women, guess what parts of the video made the news?


those are the points of this new wave feminism which is what i am trying to tell u has no merit.

gow look at it like this

when you go to "flirt" with a girl

think to yourself "if a dude spoke this way to my mother/sister/aunt/niece/female cousins/any female i care about, how would I react?"

if you'd react negatively, maybe not say those words?

1. how do you feel about child molesters / abusers, in most cases this is also considered a mental condition. do you pity child rapists?

2. not every rape is a man holding a woman down, beating her, and fucking her. rape AS ALREADY DISCUSSED, is also sex with a person who is too intoxicated to consent, or not awake to consent.

Many rapists who have raped women in these conditions don't consider it rape at all. this is not mental condition, but simply the results of living in a culture where this form of rape is considered by many a "grey area". which it is not. it is rape.

again use the "if someone did it to a female who is important to me how would I feel" rule. if your sister came to you and said she was drunk and some kids took advantage of her while she was half passed out and unable to give real consent would shame her for a slut or would you be asking where you can find these fucks?

You've not replied to everything I've said either. It's not intentional on my part. The pace of this discussion makes it hard to keep up with everything. PM me what you want me to address and we'll have a slower paced discussion about it. Cool?

you do know ppl well enough to know there are nonverbal cues we give one another that say "do or do not talk to me", right?

yeah i agree with that i see everyones reply and they kind of blend together so i get confused on what im replying to as well

the point is people can not always read people, walking up and asking or saying hi to someone is not harassment as it is being called by major feminist parties

Show me where a major feminist party takes issue with a guy saying hello to a woman.

pk i get your point now answer me this, a woman was to drunk to make a good decision and gets sexed on, a man was just as drunk and has sex with her. that is rape ? so he is held accountable and she is not? because that case was prese3nted not long ago

and I have pitty for anyone mentally disabled and does not get help., if people do shit like that bro there is something wrong with them and it is us as a society that should try to spot it. of course i dont think they shouldnt be in prison for life

and if there was truly a rape culture every man would be ok with rape, have you raped anyone you grew up in this same culture bro?

I can show you many. as i said since this has crossed over into my field i have had to pay insanely close amounts of attention to it.

So show me. I'm waiting.

How many woman does it take to screw in a lightbulb?



None. You don't need lightbulbs when you have a glass ceiling!

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ces-mysogynist

thats pretty much what I am trying to say

and even he talks bout them making all advances as sexist and harassment

if you can't read what they want leave them alone? this is not difficult.

kinda like with mushrooms.. you can eat some, but not others.. so you don't just go eating every mushroom you see and deal with the consequences after.. you ONLY eat the one that you know is safe.

Soooo

if you don't know whether she wants your attention, leave her alone? is that so hard? the world is not based on what you want when you want it. I WANT HER SO I HAVE TO HIT ON HER EVEN IF SHE MIGHT NOT WANT ME I DON'T CARE, BECAUSE WHAT SHE WANTS DOESN'T MATTER

when you ignore/can't recognize nonverbal cues that say "no" you send a vibe that says "no doesn't meant anything to me because I want you" and this gives women huge RAPE vibes and makes them feel unsafe.

how can you seriously not get this, or say you want equality if you think it's okay to make another person feel this way simply because you're attracted to them?

so you are saying by walking up to someone and saying "how are you" you are giving off a rape vibe lmfao seriously?

to know if she is interested or not you have to approach at some points. if she says no or gives a hint she is uninterested after u say hi then sure bug off. but were talking bout the walking up and saying hi part

this is tough, but in my mind it comes down to how it initiated? if a chick is flat out wasted and she throws herself at you and you are soberr enough to recognize this - you obviously decline.

if both are wasted it is tough, but I would say it should fall on the party that initiated things? I also have to say though, in instances like this where both parties are too drunk to consent it kind of cancels each other out? but it is hard to say.

there's an argument for whiskey dick ie. if the man was too drunk to consent he wouldn't be able to get it up, but we all metabolize liquor different so I can't support that

GOW I'm gonna read/reply to your link in a sec but I have to post this first bc I'm on my phone and so copy/pasting is awkward.

You talked about feminists never caring about sexism as it affects men. I just remembered this video came up in my fb feed a little while ago. Here's a feminist youtube channel dedicating an entire entry to how sexism affects men. I'm certain I could find more if you think this is rare, but again- on my phone, so I'll do that later. Here's the video though

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iwQBlNVqL-E