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Old 06-16-2018, 03:15 PM   #161
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I have read both though
When did you read the Bible?
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Old 06-16-2018, 03:17 PM   #162
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I read the Bible over a period of many years skipping the begat this guy and that guy bullshit
I don’t see why that matters at all
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Old 06-16-2018, 03:27 PM   #163
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So rome created a religion to overthrow itself?

So the Jews created a religion that the vast majority still do not believe in?

Engaging me is useless translates to I expose the flaws in your thinking.
you simply expose your own ignorance.

rome created a bastardized form of christianity during the council of nicaea, installing a state religion to help the continued subjugation over a populace and dominion that was too far spread to logistically govern.

the same bible you reference was cherry picked by these people, the people make believe jesus confided most in were tossed to the side and the writings from those disciples gospels discarded. (judas/mary).

when you say "the jews" again that comes with religious connotation. "jews" created the original form of christianity. ethnic jews. not religious jews. the original form of christianity was mutilated and used for the purpose of empire.
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Old 06-16-2018, 03:48 PM   #164
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Old 06-16-2018, 03:58 PM   #165
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I read the Bible over a period of many years skipping the begat this guy and that guy bullshit
I don’t see why that matters at all
Well the begats show the lineage of Mary which descends all the way back to royalty.

It matters because you seem like God CANT be real. Like Christianity is foolishness. Just one of those guys. I don’t get it?
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you simply expose your own ignorance.

rome created a bastardized form of christianity during the council of nicaea, installing a state religion to help the continued subjugation over a populace and dominion that was too far spread to logistically govern.

the same bible you reference was cherry picked by these people, the people make believe jesus confided most in were tossed to the side and the writings from those disciples gospels discarded. (judas/mary).

when you say "the jews" again that comes with religious connotation. "jews" created the original form of christianity. ethnic jews. not religious jews. the original form of christianity was mutilated and used for the purpose of empire.
Buddy I promise I am not ignorant in these matters. You are. You think a council created Christianity? Oh I’m sorry...hang on....

Where did the original Christianity come from before it was bastardized?
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Old 06-16-2018, 04:10 PM   #167
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Well the begats show the lineage of Mary which descends all the way back to royalty.

It matters because you seem like God CANT be real. Like Christianity is foolishness. Just one of those guys. I don’t get it?
I am not one of those guys who says god can’t be real
I’m one who says, I see no reason to believe he is and if you want to take it one step further, I’m one of those guys who says nobody can claim to have any real knowledge on the subject.
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Old 06-16-2018, 04:27 PM   #168
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I don’t get it?
Is that a question or an admission?

Either way you need to do a better job of proving God exists... pics or it didnt happen.
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Old 06-16-2018, 04:30 PM   #169
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Jesus death was the catalyst which led the disciples to aggressively push for christianity. Why it got accepted was the bible, a book so well written and emotionally engaging we read it 2000 years later and relate to on a deep level

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Jesus and disciples were working on the bible collectively, and preparing to unleash the greatest book of all time. Couple heads get jealous at the leadership role of jesus and snitch. They kill him, only to make him a dead artist, which as we all know is much more potent then a live one. The movement has a martyr and now easily gains traction. It evolved into what we have today
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Old 06-16-2018, 04:35 PM   #170
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Buddy I promise I am not ignorant in these matters. You are. You think a council created Christianity? Oh I’m sorry...hang on....

Where did the original Christianity come from before it was bastardized?
the council of nicaea created the bible you constantly ask if people read.

original christianity comes from the gospels and word of the apostles of make believe human jesus.

the romans and their hand picked christian leaders chose which gospels to include and which to discard in their made up narrative.

if i were to handpick books and gospels from the old and new testament to create a new bible and call it christianity, is it still christianity?
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Jesus was real the magic wasn't. He had physical followers because existed Judaism recognizes him as real but not the savior.
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I am not one of those guys who says god can’t be real
I’m one who says, I see no reason to believe he is and if you want to take it one step further, I’m one of those guys who says nobody can claim to have any real knowledge on the subject.
So what do you believe in?
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the council of nicaea created the bible you constantly ask if people read.

original christianity comes from the gospels and word of the apostles of make believe human jesus.

the romans and their hand picked christian leaders chose which gospels to include and which to discard in their made up narrative.

if i were to handpick books and gospels from the old and new testament to create a new bible and call it christianity, is it still christianity?
Let’s be real for a second ok? Is there not enough in the Bible to learn study and practice?

Also....your logic proves my point. Consider the apostles. Think. Do you see it?
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So what do you believe in?
In regards to what?
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In some first point of principle we can agree to start upon instead of you just conveniently changing your stance when called upon.

You may not remember all of our conversations but I do. Years ago you thought I was an idiot for believing in God and Christianity.

I am glad to see you are becoming less of an extremist.

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Uh oh...can we agree that the apostles spread Christianity in its pure form l?
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I do not think anyone is an idiot for believing in Christianity or any religion. I know for a fact neither bags or Veritas are idiots. I believed for a long time, and I am sure I am not an idiot.

I stopped believing because I realised one thing...anything else I 'believe' in, I do so because I have seen empirical evidence of its existence. I realised I had no such experience with God, so I looked for it and I found none. Nobody I asked could show me any, and nowhere I looked was any to be found.

So I stopped believing. I do not believe God exists. I do not believe in the supernatural. I believe in people and I believe in love.

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[QUOTE=Witty;674444]I do not think anyone is an idiot for believing in Christianity or any religion. I know for a fact neither bags or Veritas are idiots. I believed for a long time, and I am sure I am not an idiot.

I stopped believing because I realised one thing...anything else I 'believe' in, I do so because I have seen empirical evidence of its existence. I realised I had no such experience with God, so I looked for it and I found none. Nobody I asked could show me any, and nowhere I looked was any to be found.

So I stopped believing. I do not believe God exists. I do not believe in the supernatural. I believe in people and I believe in love.

Fin.[/QUOTE*]

So God did not create us?
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At least from the time of the Apostolic Fathers (the generation right after the Apostles).
Jesus is referred to as somehow Divine. Exactly how that Divinity worked out wasn't codified until Nicea. By the time of the Nicea, the Deity of Jesus was the dominant view, with Arius's teaching (Jesus was God's First Creation, the Divine Son, who then was Co- or Sub-Creator with his Father God, and worthy to receive a form of worship & to be called Divine by association) a strong second.

To the Jesus-Deity party, this teaching compromised the Oneness of God by stating that God would create a secondary "god" who then could be worshipped, it seemed more in keeping with their view of monotheism to regard Jesus as eternally an aspect/person within the One God. Also, it compromised the fullness of salvation by having our Savior regarded as a Super-Angel or Sub-deity rather than as fully God; and it compromised the full compassionate love of God by having God delegate our saving to a go-between rather than taking it on Himself.

In short, while it wasn't a settled issue, by the time of Nicea, the main view was Jesus as God, the only real rival view was Jesus as Sub-God, while the view that Jesus was a man exalted to Divine Sonship (the Ebionite view & also held by some Gnostics who believed the Divine Christ possessed the man Jesus at his baptism by John, seemingly promoted in THE DA VINCI CODE) did not register at all within the Church.
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