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Old 06-27-2015, 08:17 PM   #221
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Veritas and uh oh sorry but you guys have a theologically incorrect interpretation of what Jesus became. Why did he ride in to Jerusalem on a donkey? Why did he have beef with Pharisees? Why did he feel the need to say my above quote? He was an anti-revolutionary. He refused to profit off his teachings, to organize people into political action, or use his teachings as a way to disobey the law.

And yeah I'm working on the assumption that he existed and was god etc, because that's not even a necessary argument to have in order to show modern day Christians how contradictory their beliefs are to what Jesus actually did. He spent majority of his time on earth with the tax collectors and prostitutes etc, social outcasts that religious folk hated. Why wouldn't he do the same today?

Jesus was, quite intentionally, a non-political leader, and butted heads with people who tried to make it political action several times in the gospels.
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Old 06-27-2015, 08:21 PM   #222
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As far as the medical stuff, that is logically extremely flimsy grounds to rationalize exclusion from legal rights and benefits of marriage.
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Veritas and uh oh sorry but you guys have a theologically incorrect interpretation of what Jesus became. Why did he ride in to Jerusalem on a donkey? Why did he have beef with Pharisees? Why did he feel the need to say my above quote? He was an anti-revolutionary. He refused to profit off his teachings, to organize people into political action, or use his teachings as a way to disobey the law.

And yeah I'm working on the assumption that he existed and was god etc, because that's not even a necessary argument to have in order to show modern day Christians how contradictory their beliefs are to what Jesus actually did. He spent majority of his time on earth with the tax collectors and prostitutes etc, social outcasts that religious folk hated. Why wouldn't he do the same today?

Jesus was, quite intentionally, a non-political leader, and butted heads with people who tried to make it political action several times in the gospels.
He did use his teachings as a way to disobey the law and make what today would be deemed a political statement tho.

There is a very specific part in the gospels where he does that.

He was a political activist in the mould of ghandi, if he existed (Jesus, not ghandi, i've seen pics of him, dick pics) which is a big if.
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Old 06-27-2015, 08:27 PM   #224
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As far as the medical stuff, that is logically extremely flimsy grounds to rationalize exclusion from legal rights and benefits of marriage.
Can you elaborate?
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Old 06-27-2015, 08:36 PM   #225
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@Witty nah man. Dudes literally approached him and tried to convince him to organize into a political body, to stop paying taxes, etc, and Jesus said "no, that's not what this is about." Even upon incarceration, Pontius Pilate approached the religious leaders and told them Jesus has broken no law, and tried to release him according to a Hebrew custom. The people demanded instead insisted on Barabas to be released, who was a convicted and known murderer. Whether or not we would assign political meaning to his life today is irrelevant, his motives and actual actions according to the bible were not political.

Dominate, let's say a healthy couple gets married. They get pregnant. Genetic mutation occurs and their baby will be born with severe mental disabilities. Should their marriage be dissolved then? You're conflating marriage with reproduction, as well as using nazi-esque concepts of what is pure and healthy. Where's the line? Why would it be different for a healthy couple to produce sick offspring and an unhealthy couple to do the same? Is marriage dependent on the probability of healthy children?
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Old 06-27-2015, 11:19 PM   #226
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Dominate, let's say a healthy couple gets married. They get pregnant. Genetic mutation occurs and their baby will be born with severe mental disabilities. Should their marriage be dissolved then? You're conflating marriage with reproduction, as well as using nazi-esque concepts of what is pure and healthy. Where's the line? Why would it be different for a healthy couple to produce sick offspring and an unhealthy couple to do the same? Is marriage dependent on the probability of healthy children?
No, that's @Witty's argument against incestual marriage, not mine.

I'm very much FOR gay marriage, and polygamy too in principal... just trying to elucidate why, because I think the "they're consenting adults and it doesn't affect anyone else" argument breaks down somewhat because the same can be said for incestual couples.
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Funny you say that. A class I had in college posed that question, and it was interesting/hilarious to see how difficult it is to justify the wrongness of consenting incest, other than "it's just fucking weird." So I agree with you, and get what you're saying. Mutual consent is kinda all that matters to me. If brother and sister both wanna get married, and will do a good job raising a little mutant incest baby - and are aware of the consequences incest can have on birth in the first place - then I say go for it. Just a slippery slope to try and draw a line on when it is or isn't ok to marry/procreate.
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I also know that this ruling puts the law of man over the law of God.

"what you hold true on earth, I will hold true in Heaven...."?

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Veritas and uh oh sorry but you guys have a theologically incorrect interpretation of what Jesus became. Why did he ride in to Jerusalem on a donkey? Why did he have beef with Pharisees? Why did he feel the need to say my above quote? He was an anti-revolutionary. He refused to profit off his teachings, to organize people into political action, or use his teachings as a way to disobey the law.

And yeah I'm working on the assumption that he existed and was god etc, because that's not even a necessary argument to have in order to show modern day Christians how contradictory their beliefs are to what Jesus actually did. He spent majority of his time on earth with the tax collectors and prostitutes etc, social outcasts that religious folk hated. Why wouldn't he do the same today?

Jesus was, quite intentionally, a non-political leader, and butted heads with people who tried to make it political action several times in the gospels.


he came for the sick. not to condone them, but to save them.

he came as a lamb. he comes back as a lion.

you err in the Scriptures. you twist them for your agenda.
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as for your above quote that is about your financial responsibilities, he would want you to follow that law, but it is obvious from reading him and the rest of the bible that Gods law superscedes the law of man.


WHICH IS WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT.


THIS MAY BE TOO SOON, BUT LATER IN THE BIBLE IT IS TALKED ABOUT BEING A LAW UNTO YOURSELF. TOO SOON.
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Its no god that hates. Its cristians lol.


Why dont yall religious fucks just be honest it has nothing to do with god.

It has nothing to do with anything other than ignorance. And the fact most of you so called cristians just simple hate gays. Thats it, you just do. So like cowards you hide behind gods word.
Becuase you dont have fortitude to say it outload. "God doesnt hate fags, i do"

How hard is that

You will all burn in hell for using gods word to benefit your own hateful agenda.

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God said that they were an abomination.


they are also fornicators as they will never be considered married in God's eyes.


fact.
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Its no god that hates. Its cristians lol.


Why dont yall religious fucks just be honest it has nothing to do with god.

It has nothing to do with anything other than ignorance. And the fact most of you so called cristians just simple hate gays. Thats it, you just do. So like cowards you hide behind gods word.
Becuase you dont have fortitude to say it outload. "God doesnt hate fags, i do"

How hard is that

You will all burn in hell for using gods word to benefit your own hateful agenda.
I don't appreciate you judging me bro.
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Veritas and uh oh sorry but you guys have a theologically incorrect interpretation of what Jesus became. Why did he ride in to Jerusalem on a donkey? Why did he have beef with Pharisees? Why did he feel the need to say my above quote? He was an anti-revolutionary. He refused to profit off his teachings, to organize people into political action, or use his teachings as a way to disobey the law.

And yeah I'm working on the assumption that he existed and was god etc, because that's not even a necessary argument to have in order to show modern day Christians how contradictory their beliefs are to what Jesus actually did. He spent majority of his time on earth with the tax collectors and prostitutes etc, social outcasts that religious folk hated. Why wouldn't he do the same today?

Jesus was, quite intentionally, a non-political leader, and butted heads with people who tried to make it political action several times in the gospels.
i'd have to read it again, i just remember having the preconceived notion beforehand and reading it sort of re affirmed it

the religious who were at odds with him were the jews in power at the time, those same jews were put in power by the romans. jesus preaching his gospel and amassing followers in the downtrodden is alot like a rebel leader denouncing the views of the elite, gathering the power of the poor and beginning an uprising

even if jesus wasn't against the romans themselves, he was definately opposed to the puppets of rome.

i'm also arguing on the stance of him not being a real person, and being a creation who was based off of real jews who were against the known documented authority at the time

considering all these gospels and writings were conceived at least 2 generations after he was supposed to have lived

in that time romes stranglehold, and the jewish religous leaders stranglehold on the people became increased

so them inventing a character to rally behind and create a new religion and shit makes sense

but like i said i'd have to read it again which i probably won't lol.
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what? No. you err in your citing that passage. fair?


LOOK:

HERE IS THE RULE OF THUMB, ANY FOOL CAN MAKE THE BIBLE SAY WHAT THEY WANT IT TO SAY, BUT....

THEY CANNOT MAKE IT SAY IT CONSISTENTLY.
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how do I err?
I don't even believe the shit at all
but I can quote parts of your own book that contradict what you say
to me, that's evidence that none of it can be taken as truth
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