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I am certainly not an expert, but will intervene anyway since some posts may be following a wrong path.
The Jews of 30 AD certainly knew whether Jesus existed or not. The Gospels make it clear he was a renowned healer. The Jews of 55 AD certainly had a pretty good idea whether he existed or not ... unless they thought all their parents' generation had been brainwashed. In other words, if Jesus was a fabrication, many Jews of the late 1st century would have known he was a fabrication. The Jewish Talmud has passages intended to denigrate Jesus. But it lacks the obvious strong charge it might have made: that he didn't even exist! Josephus' history has been tampered with but scholars agree, I think, that some of its references to Jesus are in the original; given his dates and experience Josephus knew whether or not Jesus existed.
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the talmud was written 300 years after the proliferation of the jesus myth
the majority of scholars who study christianity are christian. there is no consensus among historians, because the majority of historians are more concerned with events of importance. the rise of christianity was of importance, the life of a man named jesus wasn't. also jews claiming to be the messiah was almost as common as jews being named jesus/yeshua and james and joseph there isn't the evidence. it may be enough for you to conclude he existed. i don't see it. he was an allegorical figure used to spearhead a system of beliefs
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Why are you trying to disprove jesus he was real. The other stuff is glorification to drive their point home, sell more books. It's why the central theme is sacrifice he died that day it's the resurrection that, I believe, was staged.
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im not trying to disprove jesus was real. if he was real the burden of proof is on those who believe he is real. those who believe he is real continue to point to the same sources and claiming that that is proof. it is not. it's not enough for me. they are pretending that writings from the era are scarce and non existent. they are not.
hell philo of alexandria was a jewish scholar who wrote at length about pontius pilates rule over judea in 40 AD. this is 4 years after pontius pilate left office. how many mentions of jesus? zero. the more i look into it the more evidence i find disproving his existence. sorry. you can believe what you will.
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Is there clear historical evidence that Jesus existed? No. But that's not unusual.
Is not the Pontius Pilate Stone the only evidence that Pilate existed outside the Gospels (and works likely to be derived from them)? That said, Jesus wasn't considered any where near as important in his time. The little surviving first-century literature was mostly written by members of the small, literate Roman elite. To them, Jesus (if they heard of him at all) was merely a troublesome rabble-rouser, perhaps a magician, in a very small, backward part of the world. Jesus’ trial was not news in Rome. If there ever were archives there, they have not survived. If records were kept in Jerusalem, they were lost in the wars of 66-70 AD when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman army. An event that needs to be considered when evaluating the accuracy of the gospels is the Jewish Uprising that happened from 66 to 73 AD. That revolt was completely crushed by the Roman Army. The Holy Lands were devastated. Written records about the life and ministry of Jesus were destroyed. Eye witnesses to that life and ministry were killed or dispersed. Anything written before the revolt is bound to be more accurate than anything written afterwards. The epistles of St. Paul, which make up about half of the New Testament, were written before the uprising. Unfortunately, they tell very little about the life of Jesus. I cannot read the Kione Greek in which the New Testament was written. Nevertheless, I have read the Bible from cover to cover eight times in seven translations. I have read many books about the Bible. Some were written from a Fundamentalist standpoint. Some were written using the higher criticism. My impression from reading Acts is that it was written when St. Paul was still alive. There is no obvious indication that he is going to be martyred. It ends with St. Paul experiencing a fairly comfortable house arrest in Rome. The reader has been told several times that he has not violated Roman or Jewish laws. Members of the Jewish community visit him. He convinces some that Jesus is the Messiah. Others remain unconvinced. Nevertheless, the conversations seem to be civil. According to Eusebius, who lived from AD 263 – 339, St. Paul and St. Peter were martyred in Rome before the Jewish Uprising began. Archaeological excavations beneath St. Peter's Basilica indicate that at one time St. Paul and St. Peter were buried there. Where I disagree with the consensus is in dating Mark, Luke, and Acts. According to the consensus Mark was written about 70 AD. Luke and Acts were written ten or more years later. I do not see why Luke would have waited so long to write an account of events that would have been fresher in his memory much earlier. If Acts was written before 66 AD, Luke was written earlier, and Mark was written earlier still. They would have been written when eye witnesses to the ministry of Jesus were available. These would have been consulted.
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Who knew Lars was such an informed Christian lol nc never disappoints. Reps on deck.
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stopped here. Thanks
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Keeping it real though, if he did exist in history, I think this explains why it may be more likely that he did exist in some way
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the jewish uprising had nothing to do with christians. later historians mention them fleeing before the war, to pella (greece) oddly enough, but by that time there were already christians being persecuted in rome itself. the problem with all this is you guys are putting historical credence into the gospels where as i basically throw them out. anything that was used to convert people to a religion isn't history to me, its pure nonsense propaganda. im sure there is truth within the gospels, because you need to put actual people and places in them to convince those around you of the magical nature of what you follow, thats the thing as well what is the written gospels im sure was what was being preached by the early disciples in there quest for converts, so they could well predate any of these dates, and be from the time when historical jesus would have existed that doesn't make the historical jesus real.
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Meh William lane Craig cooked that fagot
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Lol. Not sure which YouTube you have access to
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Cooked.
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if either des or bags were able to sit through a 2 hour debate of people speaking about if god is real, god bless you. lmao
i guess its kind of strange saying that since this has been a 2 day debate on the historical reality of a man named jesus but you get what im saying. that could also be a big part of why you guys keep dragging this out, i don't know lars religious beliefs, but im not religious at all, im agnostic probably. don't know and don't outright discount anything( in regards to there being a "god" at least). the same way with this jesus nonsense. i don't know if there was an actual human named jesus who was a rabbi type converting followers before being crucified. there could have been. i don't see the evidence for it, so i doubt it. but im not making as much of a there couldn't have been argument, as much as a there isnt sufficient proof of it argument, so making a claim either way is goofy. it all began with me stating the hypothesis of the jesus myth, and me saying i think he is an amalgamation of a bunch of people created to rally behind blah blah. AND HERE WE ARE i bet none of you watched the vos roast either. smh
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Dead at uh oh not allowing the Bible to be considered a historical document but allowing one man who did not mention Jesus. Go read the Bible as history uh oh. All the people and kingdoms and other significant things have been proven true. So whoever wrote it obviously spoke true of historical events.
You are being pursposely obtuse and foolish.
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thats 4 seperate instances outside the bible proving the existence of pontius pilate. ive already looked into the bible for what it can lend to history, and still do from time to time, i just don't take THE FUCKING GOSPELS as serious historical literature. you can look at them and find truths, but they are covered in shit. so excuse me for not buying every word as truth. the bible is merely a reference to cross reference actual history with, when there is something that actually happened that occurs in the bible and outside of it it can be a useful tool to gain another perspective on a moment in history. using the bible solely for history purposes is like using law and order as a history of NYC. its retarded. just because the setting is the same and their may be a passing mention of an actual person, they spin their own narratives to create a compelling story. its MALARKEY i say
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Lol at keep up. I’m waiting for y’all to catch up and actually think and not depend on YouTube videos and Facebook talking points and Wikipedia.
I would never use it solely as a historical book but I wouldn’t not use it. Make sense? Elaborate on the truths covered in shit?
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