lets just end all the debates.... - Page 2

kannon · 05-20-2014, 01:00 AM

As a man who has only ever lived in California and New York City, I can safely say that 90% of what leads to a person choosing one of those men over the other, is where they are from. Of course there are exceptions, but almost everyone I know who's from california is tupac over biggie, and almost everyone I know from new york is big over pac.

And usually it's not even because they genuinely liked one's lyrical content or style more than the other, it's simply because when you're growing up in one of those places, they've championed these two rappers as the best to do it from their city/state/general geographic locale. I've always liked Pac over big. I lived in California during the east/west beef. I have more fond memories associated with tupac's music because that's what local radio played, thats what my friends and I listened to. Straight up, I only knew like 10 biggie songs until I moved to New York. Local radio really didn't play biggie, lox, wu, etc. Nas probably got the most play of the east coast heads. But even then, Nastradamus was the first nas album I bought.

Anyways, I'm going on a tangent. Generally, East Coast heads like Biggie. West Coast heads like Pac. Middle of the mappers dont matter.

anime_boners · 05-20-2014, 01:01 AM

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TYSON · 05-20-2014, 01:43 AM

@kannon how the fuck does nobody but Cali and new york not matter are u stupid.

kannon · 05-20-2014, 02:18 AM

Is that all you got out of that whole post? the ONE PART where I was being sarcastic?

TYSON · 05-20-2014, 02:32 AM

Yes cause the rest didnt help the argument. All u did was tell me that the states they are from are biased, sooooo in order to determine the winner wouldn't u look for an unbiased vote? So your last statement stuck out as stupid!!!!

THE PUZZLEMASTER · 05-20-2014, 08:51 AM

dude, it was the swamps not the canal, and I was doin al the fuckin, them lizards aint had a chance

plus kannon got it exactly right dummy. this is no debate and you knew it from the jump, THERE IS NO BEST. I AM THE BEST. as far as who is better of the two, HOW? apples oranges son... break it down like kannon did, logically, and you will not be able to avoid reaching the same conclusion. plus aint texas like in the middle of the country?

kannon · 05-20-2014, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TYSON

sooooo in order to determine the winner wouldn't u look for an unbiased vote?

There is no such thing as an unbiased vote. Everyone has a little bias based on what they were more exposed to, or what memories they associate with which artist. I put together a list of my top 10 hip hop albums of all time a few years ago, and it had everything from Warren G's "Regulate...G Funk Era," to Outkast's "ATLiens," to Jurassic 5's "Quality Control," to Ahmad's self titled debut. A lot of people thought it was a weird mash up of albums. And it was. But the reason I liked these albums so much was because of what they meant to me, where I was in my life when I listened to them, and how they related to me at the time I first heard them.

The most unbiased you could get would be to ask someone who likes hip hop, but has never even heard of Tupac or Biggie, and ask them to listen to All Eyez On Me and Ready To Die, and ask which one they liked better. But even then, hip hop back then was so different from hip hop now that I dont even know if I would care to listen to the opinion of someone who didn't live through the tupac/biggie era. Plus if you could find a fan of hip hop whos unfamiliar with pac and biggie, I dont know if I would trust them at all anyway.

Diode · 05-20-2014, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kannon

There is no such thing as an unbiased vote. Everyone has a little bias based on what they were more exposed to, or what memories they associate with which artist. I put together a list of my top 10 hip hop albums of all time a few years ago, and it had everything from Warren G's "Regulate...G Funk Era," to Outkast's "ATLiens," to Jurassic 5's "Quality Control," to Ahmad's self titled debut. A lot of people thought it was a weird mash up of albums. And it was. But the reason I liked these albums so much was because of what they meant to me, where I was in my life when I listened to them, and how they related to me at the time I first heard them.

The most unbiased you could get would be to ask someone who likes hip hop, but has never even heard of Tupac or Biggie, and ask them to listen to All Eyez On Me and Ready To Die, and ask which one they liked better. But even then, hip hop back then was so different from hip hop now that I dont even know if I would care to listen to the opinion of someone who didn't live through the tupac/biggie era. Plus if you could find a fan of hip hop whos unfamiliar with pac and biggie, I dont know if I would trust them at all anyway.

Welcome to Netcees.

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El Muffin · 05-20-2014, 01:54 PM

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And your sister would play as sonya cause jax is always close by..

Got em. Ill pass on them Bulgarian cooch flaps tho. All you

trap · 05-20-2014, 02:44 PM

I'm from Maryland and I always liked Pac more.

Also, co-sign Diode.

Joe Metts · 05-20-2014, 02:56 PM

BIG

kannon · 05-20-2014, 03:06 PM

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dull boy · 05-20-2014, 03:22 PM

Pac has a crisper delivery, while Big is more of a sloppy, laid back style. I like them both for different reasons. Pac was more diverse and had more depth. Maybe that's because Pac made music for different reasons than Biggie. I think Pac was a better rapper, technically speaking. Better writer.

Wise Wiggles · 05-20-2014, 03:34 PM

Tupac. Durrrrrr.....

El Muffin · 05-20-2014, 07:41 PM

Tupac's shit doesnt resonate much with me..his hits were gay..n his srs songs too preachy but in a "how to be a thug, yet still contribute to society ..for dummies" type shit.

Given tupacs lyrical content> but biggie flexes on every track he gets on.
Flow 10x more versatile

I looove to listen to biggie whilst most pac songs are tiring

I absolutely haaaate California love

Iconic but still

Tupac straight to the point lyrics...nothing mindblowin

Eh

THE PUZZLEMASTER · 05-20-2014, 11:12 PM

exactly what muff said.
ix fuckin zackly

TYSON · 05-21-2014, 05:55 AM

No yall are stating opinions.....if we go off facts, career, fanbase, and FACTS....tupac wins

El Muffin · 05-21-2014, 06:04 AM

Facts ..as in what..album sales? We both know that means fuck all when gauging talent

Fanbase?

Iono whrre u going with this I promise tupac being better than big will never be factual

TYSON · 05-21-2014, 06:16 AM

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Third tupac is known more worldwide then biggie. He has more hits then biggie. Even the none radio songs by tupac are more well known by the masses. Tupac is in the national registry. Tupac still is idolized 10times more then biggie. Where is biggies hologram?

Tupac trumps biggies whole legacy......deny this?

El Muffin · 05-21-2014, 06:24 AM

No. But even THAT is my opinion.

lets not confuse legacy with rap talent tho..

Tupac transcended rap

So legacy> obv

Better rapper? No

05-20-2014, 01:00 AM	#21
kannon kickthekan Join Date: May 2014 Location: fresh coast Posts: 1,204 Battle Record: 9-6 Champed - The Mic Check Rep Power: 22752195	As a man who has only ever lived in California and New York City, I can safely say that 90% of what leads to a person choosing one of those men over the other, is where they are from. Of course there are exceptions, but almost everyone I know who's from california is tupac over biggie, and almost everyone I know from new york is big over pac. And usually it's not even because they genuinely liked one's lyrical content or style more than the other, it's simply because when you're growing up in one of those places, they've championed these two rappers as the best to do it from their city/state/general geographic locale. I've always liked Pac over big. I lived in California during the east/west beef. I have more fond memories associated with tupac's music because that's what local radio played, thats what my friends and I listened to. Straight up, I only knew like 10 biggie songs until I moved to New York. Local radio really didn't play biggie, lox, wu, etc. Nas probably got the most play of the east coast heads. But even then, Nastradamus was the first nas album I bought. Anyways, I'm going on a tangent. Generally, East Coast heads like Biggie. West Coast heads like Pac. Middle of the mappers dont matter. __________________ lnk.bio/kickthekan FIRSTCLASS

05-20-2014, 02:18 AM	#24
kannon kickthekan Join Date: May 2014 Location: fresh coast Posts: 1,204 Battle Record: 9-6 Champed - The Mic Check Rep Power: 22752195	Is that all you got out of that whole post? the ONE PART where I was being sarcastic? __________________ lnk.bio/kickthekan FIRSTCLASS

05-20-2014, 08:51 AM	#26
THE PUZZLEMASTER Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 259 Rep Power: 203449	dude, it was the swamps not the canal, and I was doin al the fuckin, them lizards aint had a chance plus kannon got it exactly right dummy. this is no debate and you knew it from the jump, THERE IS NO BEST. I AM THE BEST. as far as who is better of the two, HOW? apples oranges son... break it down like kannon did, logically, and you will not be able to avoid reaching the same conclusion. plus aint texas like in the middle of the country? __________________ “Not every puzzle is intended to be solved. Some are in place to test your limits. Others are, in fact, not puzzles at all...”

05-20-2014, 03:34 PM	#34
Wise Wiggles nok Su kow Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,507 Battle Record: 1-1 Rep Power: 51788019	Tupac. Durrrrrr..... __________________ "black as midnight..black as pitch blacker than the soul of the foulest witch"

05-20-2014, 07:41 PM	#35
El Muffin DOHpe since 02' Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Surrounded by white ppl Posts: 14,693 Battle Record: 43-24 Champed - Netcees Battle League - 1-2 Punch Onslaught - 1-2 Punch League - Hot or Thot Roast - Hot or Thot 2018 - Fight Night 11 - NPL Roast Rep Power: 34230531	Tupac's shit doesnt resonate much with me..his hits were gay..n his srs songs too preachy but in a "how to be a thug, yet still contribute to society ..for dummies" type shit. Given tupacs lyrical content> but biggie flexes on every track he gets on. Flow 10x more versatile I looove to listen to biggie whilst most pac songs are tiring I absolutely haaaate California love Iconic but still Tupac straight to the point lyrics...nothing mindblowin Eh __________________ It’s like weed in Highschool- w/ the cans I’ll smoke you Bitch I floss . I Got the chain out to see like Constantinople Last edited by El Muffin; 05-20-2014 at 07:43 PM.

05-20-2014, 01:43 AM	#23
TYSON IN LOVE WITH A STRIPPER Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,985 Battle Record: 10-15 Rep Power: 23089119	@kannon how the fuck does nobody but Cali and new york not matter are u stupid.

05-20-2014, 02:32 AM	#25
TYSON IN LOVE WITH A STRIPPER Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,985 Battle Record: 10-15 Rep Power: 23089119	Yes cause the rest didnt help the argument. All u did was tell me that the states they are from are biased, sooooo in order to determine the winner wouldn't u look for an unbiased vote? So your last statement stuck out as stupid!!!!

05-20-2014, 02:44 PM	#30
trap Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: KCMO. Posts: 377 Rep Power: 14025263	I'm from Maryland and I always liked Pac more. Also, co-sign Diode.

05-20-2014, 02:56 PM	#31
Joe Metts Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Hanover, PA Posts: 2,760 Battle Record: 14-6 Rep Power: 18112000	BIG

05-20-2014, 03:22 PM	#33
dull boy consults Lloyd Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4,075 Battle Record: 0-8 Champed -1-2 Punch League Roast Rep Power: 39345600	Pac has a crisper delivery, while Big is more of a sloppy, laid back style. I like them both for different reasons. Pac was more diverse and had more depth. Maybe that's because Pac made music for different reasons than Biggie. I think Pac was a better rapper, technically speaking. Better writer.

05-20-2014, 11:12 PM	#36
THE PUZZLEMASTER Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 259 Rep Power: 203449	exactly what muff said. ix fuckin zackly __________________ “Not every puzzle is intended to be solved. Some are in place to test your limits. Others are, in fact, not puzzles at all...”

05-21-2014, 05:55 AM	#37
TYSON IN LOVE WITH A STRIPPER Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,985 Battle Record: 10-15 Rep Power: 23089119	No yall are stating opinions.....if we go off facts, career, fanbase, and FACTS....tupac wins

05-21-2014, 06:04 AM	#38
El Muffin DOHpe since 02' Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Surrounded by white ppl Posts: 14,693 Battle Record: 43-24 Champed - Netcees Battle League - 1-2 Punch Onslaught - 1-2 Punch League - Hot or Thot Roast - Hot or Thot 2018 - Fight Night 11 - NPL Roast Rep Power: 34230531	Facts ..as in what..album sales? We both know that means fuck all when gauging talent Fanbase? Iono whrre u going with this I promise tupac being better than big will never be factual __________________ It’s like weed in Highschool- w/ the cans I’ll smoke you Bitch I floss . I Got the chain out to see like Constantinople

05-21-2014, 06:24 AM	#40
El Muffin DOHpe since 02' Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Surrounded by white ppl Posts: 14,693 Battle Record: 43-24 Champed - Netcees Battle League - 1-2 Punch Onslaught - 1-2 Punch League - Hot or Thot Roast - Hot or Thot 2018 - Fight Night 11 - NPL Roast Rep Power: 34230531	No. But even THAT is my opinion. lets not confuse legacy with rap talent tho.. Tupac transcended rap So legacy> obv Better rapper? No __________________ It’s like weed in Highschool- w/ the cans I’ll smoke you Bitch I floss . I Got the chain out to see like Constantinople