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06-18-2018, 11:19 AM | #302 |
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Bro, I will read what you write, but I ask the same of you
What you just typed did not reference anything that I said But let me ask you this Who’s the debt owed to? God? Then he can easily forego the demand for payment. |
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I do Jude. That is why I tried to stop you from trapping yourself with the perils of subjective morality .
Before I answer your question can I get a fair enough on my previous words before we move on?
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Lmao. Not even close
There’s a lot of things I’d have to submit to to give you a fair on that And the majority of them are Mumbo Jumbo to me you need to attempt to converse with me on my level I’m trying to discuss the philosophy behind this and you are hitting me with vague statements based on scripture Can you not argue this without that? |
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I haven't seen enough to say the same for jesus of nazareth. I have no vested interest in proving or disproving his existence. Im not a christian or an atheist. I dont have an agenda, simply an opinion. I dont think he existed. I think the idea of him is an amalgamation of jewish figures of the time sprinkled with middle eastern mysticism and grecoroman mystery religions. It sprang about during a time when peoples gods were failing them and they were being trampled under the military might of one of the greatest forces this world has ever known. But again its just my goofy opinion.
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State your ultimate point and let us agree to definitions and I will happily oblige sir
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My ultimate point is that there’s no reason to believe in what you constantly profess to be true beyond debate.
And my ultimate question would be to what do you attribute this ability to speak as though it is beyond debate? |
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The point I was getting at with Pontius Pilate is that same objection would rule out just about anyone from ancient history. The reality is that most historical figures, whether ancient or modern, just don't write much about themselves. That's the problem when it comes to discussions like these. People who question the historicity of Jesus apply criteria that are far more demanding that the criteria normally used in evaluating ancient history. "Where are the first-hand accounts?" they demand (of which I'd argue that there are some, but that's ultimately beside the point). "Why weren't any of these accounts written during his lifetime?" -- again, a criterion that historians do not require. "Why didn't he personally write about himself?" and so forth, and so on. No, there's not very much evidence. But then, there's not very much evidence for any individual who lived that long ago. You're willing to believe the narrative you want to believe while almost completely discounting the narrative you don't want to believe - when both of them lack in physical evidence.
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My counter is that the only options given us as to how we got here was that God created the world or everything evolved and we came from monkeys.
Both are Initially matters of faith. I have seen more supernatural unexplained synchronicities than I have proof of evolution. This is the simplest way I can answer your questions. We can also talk about how Jesus is the only way given to us that makes sense in terms of human nature. We can discuss this if you like.
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I don't believe you. You like to be challenged and you'll have been interested in what I had to say regardless of your own beliefs.
Just educating the Ramen noodle eating backpage using roman savage ITT. For what it's worth, I'm not even particularly religious at all, I just like to read and understand.
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Why wouldn’t something created by humans make sense in terms of human nature?
We didn’t come from monkeys, we are primates If you truly think they are both matters of faith, then conversation will yield nothing |
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How are they not both matters of faith?
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It’s not the same
You know it isn’t the same to have faith that the grass is green and stoves are hot than it is to take a huge theological leap of faith that there is a sky father who made the oceans and shit. One is completely mundane and easily provable by looking at the grass or touching a stove |
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Do not swerve away from the point. Please do not mischarscterize either. They are both matters of faith and I can prove it.
You said we did not come from monkeys we are primates. Where did the first primate come from?
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Well, when two pre-primates are in love...
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Where did those two pre primates in love come from?
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From the pre-pre-primates who were in love
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And where did they come from?
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You know the answer
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