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Old 06-16-2018, 12:12 PM   #121
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Isn’t not labeling it Gods work just as, if not more so, close minded?

This idea that God and Science have to be mutually exclusive?
Science can ONLY consider the natural and physical world so by excluding the supernatural by definition it is more close minded in practice then Christianity. True life

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Old 06-16-2018, 12:13 PM   #122
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They are mutually exclusive because one is decided after meticulous testing and experimentation and still is never regarded as infallible truth and the other is regarded as infallible truth because someone said it was once
Oh so show me one instance of a animal turning into a completely different animal genetically. Like a fish to a bird.

I will wait.
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Look bro. I don’t believe in “truth” or “knowledge” as truly attainable
And I’m comfortable not knowing things
You, are not.
As such, we will forever remain at an impasse
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Old 06-16-2018, 12:15 PM   #124
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Oh so show me one instance of a animal turning into a completely different animal genetically. Like a fish to a bird.

I will wait.
I understand that you place less value on the breadth of scientific study than you do on your ability to discount all of it. It doesn’t make your arguments any more valid.
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Old 06-16-2018, 12:17 PM   #125
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Please restate your precious two posts in a way that does not mischarscterize my beliefs and strawmans me

While also saying not saying something that contradicts your earlier stance.

I will wait.
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Old 06-16-2018, 12:22 PM   #126
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I don’t know what part you don’t understand. I don’t know if there’s a god or not. I’ve never seen anything, including man’s religions and the Bible, that leads me to believe otherwise. If I saw something that did, I’d likely change my beliefs. That’s the scientific method. Here’s the thing. When I was a kid, Pluto was a planet. Scientific thought changes. If the human race doesn’t kill itself off, most of what I think I “know” will probably turn out to be bullshit. So, why the fuck would I worry myself with trying to feel like I know what going on, why we’re here, what happens after, or any of that shit? I try to be a good person and do what I feel is right, and let that shit unfold how it does. Nobody knows, really. Believe whatever you want. I just prefer you keep that shit to yourself.
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Old 06-16-2018, 12:24 PM   #127
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Interesting. Do you not see how you are even more guilty than me of what you are accusing me of?
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Old 06-16-2018, 12:25 PM   #128
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I do not. It’s when you purport to know “the truth” that I have a problem. And that’s it.
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Old 06-16-2018, 12:29 PM   #129
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I will make this simple and in few words.

“Believe whatever you want I just prefer you keep that shit to yourself “ says the person who automatically starts attacking people who believe differently. Dismissing trier beliefs as foolish and wrong.



The main point for today that will break us into new ground is this. And I want you to say fair enough to it ok? Here goes:

Your belief system (or whatever you belief is in some state of possible truth) rests on just as much if not more of an act of faith as mine.

Fair ?
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Old 06-16-2018, 12:35 PM   #130
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I don’t have a belief system, I have a non-belief system
You can certainly see how that doesn’t require faith, no?
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Old 06-16-2018, 12:36 PM   #131
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just so its known, i hate you guys.

jesus can have existed. thats not a problem, his existence as a human has no bearing on my stance. im stating i think he didn't exist because there is no evidence for it outside what des has already stated. meanwhile there is a ton of recorded history on that direct era. its not a foggy age where no one was writing anything and all we have to go by is one persons work.

that is inherently false.

which is why my hypothesis, that he is a mythical figure created and modeled after other jews who were fighting for their independence from the romans, and spun and created into a religion makes more sense to me than him being an actual singular human being, let alone a singular human being who was a wizard of god.

we know for a fact pontius pilate existed. its in recorded history and in stone dug from israel itself, he was the prefect of judea of the period in which jesus allegedly lived. the problem however is there is nothing of jesus in the records when there are jewish figures in the records at the time who were garnering followings and trying to rise against the foreign occupation

its like a belief in hercules as an actual person. greeks from after his existence wrote stories about him. i can't say he was an actual historical figure, its not because of the miraculous deeds he was said to do, its because there is no evidence of his existence outside what people say about him years and centuries later. i have no vested interest in proving he was a real human or a myth, because its not the person but the myths prescribed to them i take issue with.
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Non belief is blind faith that I am wrong about my beliefs.

Fair Jude? Fair?
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It’s a tldr situation, but I will say on the drive today my wife turned to one of those Christian radio stations that’s always like 91.3 or some shit and the sermon reminded me of Far Cry 5

Every organized religion is equallly fucking batty
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just so its known, i hate you guys.

jesus can have existed. thats not a problem, his existence as a human has no bearing on my stance. im stating i think he didn't exist because there is no evidence for it outside what des has already stated. meanwhile there is a ton of recorded history on that direct era. its not a foggy age where no one was writing anything and all we have to go by is one persons work.

that is inherently false.

which is why my hypothesis, that he is a mythical figure created and modeled after other jews who were fighting for their independence from the romans, and spun and created into a religion makes more sense to me than him being an actual singular human being, let alone a singular human being who was a wizard of god.

we know for a fact pontius pilate existed. its in recorded history and in stone dug from israel itself, he was the prefect of judea of the period in which jesus allegedly lived. the problem however is there is nothing of jesus in the records when there are jewish figures in the records at the time who were garnering followings and trying to rise against the foreign occupation

its like a belief in hercules as an actual person. greeks from after his existence wrote stories about him. i can't say he was an actual historical figure, its not because of the miraculous deeds he was said to do, its because there is no evidence of his existence outside what people say about him years and centuries later. i have no vested interest in proving he was a real human or a myth, because its not the person but the myths prescribed to them i take issue with.
This is abject stupidity. Your hypothesis is illogical.
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Why does my shit have to affect your shit?
That’s the entire problem I have with religious folk right there
You take my lack of belief as some sort of affront to your beliefs
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Wrong. It is the other way around.

All I am trying to say (and very simply) is that your mode of operation exists on faith. The same as mine.

Fair? Can we reach this point of agreement? Will you stop fighting this?
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If you want to break it down to the absolute basics, I suppose I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow. Basic things like that, I suppose everyone requires faith for. I’ll give you that much.
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If you want to break it down to the absolute basics, I suppose I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow. Basic things like that, I suppose everyone requires faith for. I’ll give you that much.
You have only been given two choices for how you came to be. GOD CREATED THIS or THIS SLOWWWLY EVOLVED.

Both cannot be proven scientifically as neither can be directly observed.

So you have faith that you are right and you have faith that there is no God.

Fair?
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how so?
First of all you err in history.

Why would the Jews create Jesus? If there was a rebellion and he their leader why would we not have heard about this?

Maybe Jesus was real and he refused to be their king plus he upset the jew cucks who lived off the Roman scraps so they killed him?

Oh wait....
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