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Old 06-16-2018, 11:26 AM   #101
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It's considered historically accurate at this point that Jesus lived, performed healing miracles, exorcised demons, was crucified, rose from the tomb and was seen after by multiple parties.

Tacitus and Josephus attested to Jesus and the histroians that wrote the gospels are considered to be respected and accurate sources of eye witness testimony. The gospel of Luke was dated within 30yrs of Christ's death and Corinthians is dated to within a few years of his death.

As far as historical accuracy the new testament is factually considered the most reliable collection of documented transcripts from the age of antiquity by and large just based off the sheer volume of corroborating documentation. There's literally thousands of transcripts that were discovered parking together the Hebrew transcripts as well as the new testament. Not only are the writings archeologically dated to within decades of Christ's life and death the other sparse collections of academic writings from that age were so few in documented proof and dated to hindreds of years after the information contained in them it's laughable how much more credible the Bible is strictly from an academic stand point. The ONLY reason it is considered with more scrutiny is because it details miraculous events. There are medical miracles defying the natural known laws of science to this day. So miss me w that 2018 caveman logic. Fucking dolt reads a couple aincient Roman textbooks and suddenly is more informed than our present day historical scholars immersed in the research first hand.

If there was factual proof that jesus, christianity and an intelligent designer for the universe DID NOT exist then we wouldn't have some of our most prominent scientists, doctors and theologians still having credible debates on the topic. Honestly the agnostics are losing this debate at present due to all of the recent discoveries in the scientific community.

We get it uh oh u researched ainceint Rome and determined Jesus isn't real because he's a magic fairy tale but 2 years ago you told us all that the meaning of life was to eat pizza rolls and jerk off into your beard and now you're preaching to us about turning your eating habits around and paying women to spend time with you so you'll have to excuse me if I don't take anything you say as genuine or accurate regardless of the conviction in your tone.
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Old 06-16-2018, 11:40 AM   #102
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Bro, no it isn’t.
Admittedly I didn’t read after the first sentence because it’s so incorrect
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Old 06-16-2018, 11:46 AM   #103
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The "evidence" for Ioesus (no 'J' until 1527 AD) is the new testament. That is it. One 1st century document is the only known document and only one found so far. There is no independent secondary reference at all (the Josephus and Tacitus edits debunked). This is after 150 years of intense searching for 'bible' evidence. The new testament is directly traceable to one person, Saul of Tarsus/Paul the Apostle. The accounts from "other people" are stated to have been given to him. Interestingly, all are written in Hellenic Greek, not Hebrew, something that would be expected coming out of Judea. All historians of the Roman Empire agree there is no account of any Jewish superman rebellion. There are extensive accounts of the general Jewish rebellion against Rome and Roman occupation but no magic freedom activist, at all. Why is the lack of evidence more believable than the preponderance of evidence?
The only historians who are sold on jesus, the man, having existed are the super religious ones
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The evidence is dubious at best
So, I have to use common sense and examine it
What’s more likely, that a magical dude did all this shit or that someone told a good story?
And I have my answer
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Old 06-16-2018, 11:50 AM   #105
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List your sources, Des.

You are about to have me questioning my entire existence.

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Old 06-16-2018, 11:50 AM   #106
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Jude: are you ready for me?
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I’m not here to change anyone’s beliefs
I’m just stating mine, and I will post evidence counter to any opinion that people “agree” on the historicity of jesus, the man.
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Gone at entire assistance. You definitely need assistance lol.

And again to Des as I stated previously discreditting it due to miraculous events is just to close minded for me.
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I truly dislike auto correct.

But - DES, seems you have done a lot of research, I'm just curious as to why?

What lead you to conducting this research? Were you forced in to religion growing up or something?

Legit curious.
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Let me know when you are ready. But just know that if I keep seeing you in here so certainly speaking foolishness as truth I may interject.

This road leads thru me, Jude. Contend with me. Why do you run?
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Why though?
What miraculous events have you witnessed that leads you to believe that they have ever or could ever occur?
If I told you I could shit out perfectly rolled blunts, I’m guessing you’d need to witness it before just buying it?
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There’s a reason why I could shit blunts out of my ass in front of your eyes and you still would think it was some kind of magic trick but a story about some other magic tricks that someone wrote down rings true to you and it’s called indoctrination. Not one of you came by your religious beliefs after the age of reason. That’s why people are introduced to religion as young children. Once you hit the age of reason, you won’t buy the bullshit so easily.
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I've personally experienced miracles in my own life that I could go into detail on but that wouldn't do us any good here when you are stating you need to personally witness them.

As I said tho there are modern miracles in medicine occurring consistently that defy the natural laws of science to this day.

The cosmological and teleological arguments for intelligent design also make a pretty convincing case for me personally.

If science can make a more probable cause for the creation of the universe and the creation of life then I'd be a little more skeptical to Jesus performing miracles.
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Ok....I think I am going to have to interject.
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Bags, just because science doesn’t know everything doesn’t mean everything misunderstood is miraculous. Take an iPad back to the Middle Ages and people will think it’s fucking magic. It’s not. It’s not understood. To take everything not yet understood and to just label it “god’s work,” is equally close minded to me
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Bags, just because science doesn’t know everything doesn’t mean everything misunderstood is miraculous. Take an iPad back to the Middle Ages and people will think it’s fucking magic. It’s not. It’s not understood. To take everything not yet understood and to just label it “god’s work,” is equally close minded to me
Isn’t not labeling it Gods work just as, if not more so, close minded?

This idea that God and Science have to be mutually exclusive?
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Right ...this is pretty standard line of argument on this tho....

Let's see where veritas wants to take this tho I'm headed to the lake and feel like this exchange has reached the wall that it usually does....I mean sure we could probably go into alot more detail on both sides but like you side the truth is we don't know shit but for now Christianity is the most probable system we have. If science does manage to bridge the gaps of ignorance then I'll be more than willing to take that into consideration but until then praise Jesus.
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They are mutually exclusive because one is decided after meticulous testing and experimentation and still is never regarded as infallible truth and the other is regarded as infallible truth because someone said it was once
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Anthony I am proud of you today. More so now than ever. Jude spouts off the same tired arguments as fact and then can not answer simple questions.

Let me see if he will engage with me. And if so, will we break any new ground.

Jude has an agenda. Jesus CANT exist.
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