Logical Thought definition

[DMS]

What is logical thought? Logical thought is defined by philosophers as “corresponding with reality and truth.” As in the thought is true and correct about reality. With this definition in mind, can god make a stone he couldn’t lift?
The thought of god making a stone he couldn’t lift seems illogical, as in not a logical thought, so it must not be true. Same with god not being logical in nature. How can truth’s very nature be untrue?

I’m sure most of you knew this, but the only philosophical way of determining possibility is through logical impossibility. If it isn’t logically impossible (like a per acciden infinite causal chain and or loop) it is logically possible. This is because possibility isn’t confined to laws and materials of our universe.

Logical impossibilty’s are found through contradiction primarily. A 3 sided circle is logically impossible, because a 3 sided 4 sided object contradicts itsel.

God being able to make a stone he couldn’t left contradicts god’s nature in 2 ways.
1. It contradicts the thought of all-powerfulness and claims there’s something beyond infinity.
2. It contradicts god not having any potentiality as the unmoved mover.

Same with objective abstract truth being illogical and not corresponding to truth and reality.

[Destroyer]

I don’t believe in god. But if there were one, he most certainly could exist in a place where he could make a stone that he couldn’t lift. He would have to simply also possess the power to then change the stone into one he could lift.

[DMS]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I don’t believe in god. But if there were one, he most certainly could exist in a place where he could make a stone that he couldn’t lift. He would have to simply also possess the power to then change the stone into one he could lift.

Well, this all depends on the attributes of his nature. If he was all-powerful, as in infinite power, how can something take more power to lift than his? You’re claiming something is both beyond infinity, and also subject to it. Also in this instance, he also has potentiality, which is against the common Thomas Aquinas god of Christianity.

[Destroyer]

He’s still bound to logic even by his definition. Omnipotence doesn’t require being able to do the logically impossible, which the stone thing is.

[Orc]

Qualm?

[veritas]

the fact that Jude is eloquently putting forth my reasoning testifies to the progress of our relationship and just how epically DMS ethers himself with a lack of understanding based upon purposeful contentiousness and his critical need for attention.

[bleak]

Originally Posted by veritas

the fact that Jude is eloquently putting forth my reasoning testifies to the progress of our relationship and just how epically DMS ethers himself with a lack of understanding based upon purposeful contentiousness and his critical need for attention.

Simple but effective

V/ V

[DMS]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

He’s still bound to logic even by his definition. Omnipotence doesn’t require being able to do the logically impossible, which the stone thing is.

So we agree that omnipotence doesn’t require being able to lift the stone, but the stone is still logically impossible? You’re kinda restating my point, that god couldn’t make a stone he couldn’t lift. This is illogical in 3 ways actually, the previous 2, and a being making, without any outside help or materials, something beyond itself in potentiality is an effect exceeding its cause.

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[Exis]

Nigga done turned in2 Veritas after he dissed Veritas...Where's the logic in that?

[DMS]

Originally Posted by veritas

the fact that Jude is eloquently putting forth my reasoning testifies to the progress of our relationship and just how epically DMS ethers himself with a lack of understanding based upon purposeful contentiousness and his critical need for attention.

I’ve been putting thought into the Omni-God’s attributes, and remembered Jude is arguing against your original point.

Originally Posted by veritas

Yes he could. He could also create a rock so heavy he could not lift. He is not bound to logical consistency. Thankfully for us, he esteems it highly.

Right here you said truth isn’t bound to being true in nature, in other words, truth isn’t fundamentally true.

Second off I’d argue logical things are good things, because illogical thought is distortion of natural law. Thus god is “bound” to logical consistency, because he’s “bound” to goodness.