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Abortion responsible for more deaths than region
1 yr of abortion About 6,000 of religious wars at the LEAST Nah we can't agree so just fuck off
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I also don't agree that abortion = murder
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and I don't necessarily agree that it's in man's nature to kill
maybe it was initially, but there's no reason to take both the viewpoint that we are more than animals and we can't rise above killing each other. There's a lot to be said about religion being one of the reasons we haven't risen above the savagery of needless killing. There's also a lot of debate about how much people have to be influenced before they will rise to such savagery on a massive scale, ie, the holocaust in WW2, systematic slavery in the U.S., etc. It's my personal belief that man is inherently good, which is the opposite of most religious thought. |
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also, every religion looks forward to an ending of it all, an apocalypse, when all of this ends.
why? short of the eventual heat death of the universe I see no need to assume that it's just all going to come crashing down. it's the most negative world view you could take about anything. It's also a pass to allow you to get away with whatever atrocities you commit in the name of said religion because all of this doesn't really matter anyway because it's all gonna end eventually? nah, fuck that, I rather own my place in this world, my contribution to it, and look toward a future where man perseveres indefinitely |
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I am asking you to agree that there have been more murders from abortion in the last year = 58 million than all the religious wars in our history. if you cannot agree to that, can you agree that there has been far more deaths due to war of just nations fighting nations and abortion than deaths from wars over the name of God? fair?
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Veritas, can we agree that if there has been even one innocent death caused by religion in all of history than that is too many?
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Veritas reminds me of my shithead stepdad who cheated on my moms for prolly like 25 years then divorced, immediately remarried and found the church. Hasn't called me in 7 years, but texts me on every religious holiday to wish me "blessings."
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Think about the state the world would be in if everybody believed there were ZERO consequences for their actions. Any religion that keeps a person somewhat "in-check" for fear of consequences should be welcomed in society. Nobody wants to talk about how fear of "God's wrath" can be all that stop a lot of people from killing, raping and destroying. Think about it. |
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I knew that would be exactly how that was taken. My disdain for religion came around a long time before that example of hypocrisy which I used above. I came to my own conclusions at a young age that religion was simply a business, which is exactly what it is.
And now, it's a cause for people to commit all kinds of atrocities that they use religious beliefs to justify. Morality isn't derived from religion, Roy, it precedes it. |
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and to simply say 'it has its faults," isn't accurate
it is a fault |
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in contrast, I believe I am the voice of the solution
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Religious people by and large develop personal beliefs from religion
Peoples' personal beliefs affect how they vote That shit harms society, considering religion is based on teachings from ancient manuscripts If you think "oh that's only 5% of religious people like extremists" then you're not talking about religious people, you're talking about avid holy book club enthusiasts
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Roy, when the cons outweigh the pros, that's how something is judged as bad
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Knuck, if you don't see why this debate is important, why continue to contribute to it?
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