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01-09-2019, 08:18 AM | #21 | |
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@Exis tbph I think we're talking about something else now and you lost me lol
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I didn't even wanna use the word 'predetermined' since it sounds like we don't have a choice. I think we can choose freely, but everything that would lead you to that choice is either already done or out of your control. It's really a dumb little semantic gripe |
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01-09-2019, 08:42 AM | #23 |
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Not really though. It’s the crux of the argument of if we, in fact, do possess free will.
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01-09-2019, 08:43 AM | #24 | |
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I have figured out how to rectify Gods all knowing with human free will...and it is the deepest tenet of my remember the future tagline sir. Are you open to discussion of this?
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Like, if you respond to this post is kind of determined by your already existing qualities/experiences and how they influence you. It's really just a semantic thing Sure, I don't know how much I can offer a discussion since I'm theorizing as an atheist language nazi, but I'd at least like to hear it |
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01-09-2019, 09:27 AM | #26 | |
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word.....I was reading DA Carson talk about Compatiblism and It was tough to swallow....though Im not sure I disagree with it
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01-09-2019, 12:02 PM | #31 |
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Pretty sure Thomas Aquinas did this too. No one really says that All-knowing beings contradict free will anymore.
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oh an I thought the deterministic theory was already debunked in studies on identical and fraternal twins separated at birth
its nature vs nurture there is intrinsic behavioral cognitive capabilities that are completely hereditary and ignore external stimuli as evidenced in the studies on the twins who were raised in completely separate environments and essentially became the same people |
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thanks for the definition from the fagot taking highschool philosophy courses
whatever the fuck form of determinism fagot sharp is arguing in the OP k thanks pussy |
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de·ter·min·ism.
. [dəˈtərməˌnizəm] NOUN philosophy . the doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes external to the will. Some philosophers have taken determinism to imply that individual human beings have no free will and cannot be held morally responsible for their actions. |
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but yea I don't think the idea that our genetics and social constructs shape us takes away the functionality of free will. in a society of however many billion people operating with conscious and unconscious cognitive processes that we barely even understand, the theory over simplifies an irreducibly complex system.
basically youd have to say if we reset the earth to day one that every single event would occur the same leading up to the present.....I don't think our minds are so simply considered to agree with this |
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so what should we call it instead... kinda free will...
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