Thought experiment help?

Elemental P · 12-02-2018, 06:59 PM

So this is something new I'm trying, just for my curiosity and due to my interest in psychoanalysis and I've always been more in to philosophy than religion. I did my first one yesterday on FB and I used the meme where it asks: Would you stomp on the puppy for 18 BILLION DOLLARS.

But I changed it up to be more morally thought provoking. So I asked, for every 1$ let's say the saves an animals life. So that's 18 Billion animals you could save, endangered species could be saved from going extinct ect. So, would you kill the puppy in order to help the 18 Billion animals?

Well here's the results.

NO: 11 total. 6 females and 5 males (didn't cover demographics or any of that just men/women.

YES:4 Total. 3 females and 1 Male.

I had spent a lot of time drawing a conclusion from this and it's supposed to make you question your morals. Does the end justify the means?
How about any of you guys, what would you answer? And you have think about it carefully.

(So I want to continue this trend for my own intellectual reasons and curiosity and would like some help with more Thought Experiment ideas. Yes I checked Google and read some to give me some more ideas but I want to hear more original ideas. Anyone care to help or at least answer the question I posted?) I'll post my short summary conclusion (kept it short due to not enough participants and kept it vague for a reason.)

uh-oh · 12-02-2018, 07:01 PM

i would eat a puppy while its alive with my hands and teeth for 18 billion dollars is this a serious question?

Elemental P · 12-02-2018, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by uh-oh

i would eat a puppy while its alive for 18 billion dollars is this a serious question?

Yes it is. And yes I had plenty of trolls say yes (I troll myself as well) but was asking for legitimate yes or no.

Elemental P · 12-02-2018, 07:04 PM

But as I said I changed it from it being about the 18 Billion dollars to each dollar would go to save an animals life. If you want to keep it like the original question and just keep the money idc do as u please.

uh-oh · 12-02-2018, 07:06 PM

im not trolling in the least bit. i would stomp a puppy for 18 billion dollars, and thats not even a difficult question, and im someone who loves dogs. im one of those weirdos that would rather see a human hurt than a dog.

i wouldn't stomp a puppy to give 18 billion dollars to puppy welfare though, like if it just miraculously helped puppies if i stomped one to death.

but yea your experiment is flawed because its facebook where people don't want to look like terrible people to people who know them.

Sharp · 12-02-2018, 07:19 PM

So you've rewritten the trolley lever thought experiment?

bleak · 12-02-2018, 07:21 PM

Agreed I like dogs but would massacre a litter of newborn puppies for that kind of cash

dull boy · 12-02-2018, 07:21 PM

Is this a serious thread?

dull boy · 12-02-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharp

So you've rewritten the trolley lever thought experiment?

Someone watches The Good Place.

DMS · 12-02-2018, 08:11 PM

I feel my former thread about punching blind children n shit was a bit better then this ngl, and that was just a meme.

I’d fucking clobber that puppy, no joke. Animals besides us are under our control for a reason. We’re top dogs on this earth, unlike all those other pussies, including the actual pussies.

But if the destruction of those animals, all 18 million, effect the environment in ways that negatively effect humans in the future, I’d have to rethink.

dull boy · 12-02-2018, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DMS

Animals besides us are under our control for a reason. We’re top dogs on this earth

This is how rich people feel about poor people.

DMS · 12-02-2018, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dull boy

This is how rich people feel about poor people.

Demonstrate this is objectively wrong

boof · 12-02-2018, 10:16 PM

if it's not objectively wrong then neither is the perspective of the rich people in his statement and that's part of the point so hopefully you get it now

boof · 12-02-2018, 10:16 PM

also this was a terrible social experiment

Sharp · 12-02-2018, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dull boy

Someone watches The Good Place.

No lie my better half loves that show. I remember hearing about it in high school though. It didn't come from that though, right?

dull boy · 12-02-2018, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharp

No lie my better half loves that show. I remember hearing about it in high school though. It didn't come from that though, right?

It’s a quality show.

But yea, pretty classic ethical thought experiment.

Sharp · 12-02-2018, 10:56 PM

Agreed. We haven't seen the new season yet but I'm worried it might get too convoluted for me to want to follow

DMS · 12-02-2018, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by boof

if it's not objectively wrong then neither is the perspective of the rich people in his statement and that's part of the point so hopefully you get it now

What?

Elemental P · 12-03-2018, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by boof

also this was a terrible social experiment

I disagree. Why is it terrible? From what I seen you all have to reevaluate your moral compass cause if you believe a life is worth less than money which is a physical substance mankinf made then you are severely lacking in the compassion and empathetic department and should probably seek help.

Elemental P · 12-03-2018, 12:14 AM

And yea I chose the money as well but I would have to use at least Some of it for a good cause. Like create no profit organization for rescuing animals and for people in need. But I guess I'm just weird. Or actually have a soul, can't tell with the lot of fucked up individuals in here.

12-02-2018, 06:59 PM	#1
Elemental P Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 856 Rep Power: 4507453	Thought experiment help? So this is something new I'm trying, just for my curiosity and due to my interest in psychoanalysis and I've always been more in to philosophy than religion. I did my first one yesterday on FB and I used the meme where it asks: Would you stomp on the puppy for 18 BILLION DOLLARS. But I changed it up to be more morally thought provoking. So I asked, for every 1$ let's say the saves an animals life. So that's 18 Billion animals you could save, endangered species could be saved from going extinct ect. So, would you kill the puppy in order to help the 18 Billion animals? Well here's the results. NO: 11 total. 6 females and 5 males (didn't cover demographics or any of that just men/women. YES:4 Total. 3 females and 1 Male. I had spent a lot of time drawing a conclusion from this and it's supposed to make you question your morals. Does the end justify the means? How about any of you guys, what would you answer? And you have think about it carefully. (So I want to continue this trend for my own intellectual reasons and curiosity and would like some help with more Thought Experiment ideas. Yes I checked Google and read some to give me some more ideas but I want to hear more original ideas. Anyone care to help or at least answer the question I posted?) I'll post my short summary conclusion (kept it short due to not enough participants and kept it vague for a reason.)

12-02-2018, 07:01 PM	#2
uh-oh DA GOD Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Canton Ohio Posts: 12,362 Battle Record: 1-0 Champed - Beat Battle II - Beat Battle V - Beat Bags Rep Power: 84181417	i would eat a puppy while its alive with my hands and teeth for 18 billion dollars is this a serious question? __________________ EVERYBODY I KNOW GOT WEED OR GOT POWDER BUT I AINT GOT EITHER. GOT ALOT OF DEMONS

12-02-2018, 07:06 PM	#5
uh-oh DA GOD Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Canton Ohio Posts: 12,362 Battle Record: 1-0 Champed - Beat Battle II - Beat Battle V - Beat Bags Rep Power: 84181417	im not trolling in the least bit. i would stomp a puppy for 18 billion dollars, and thats not even a difficult question, and im someone who loves dogs. im one of those weirdos that would rather see a human hurt than a dog. i wouldn't stomp a puppy to give 18 billion dollars to puppy welfare though, like if it just miraculously helped puppies if i stomped one to death. but yea your experiment is flawed because its facebook where people don't want to look like terrible people to people who know them. __________________ EVERYBODY I KNOW GOT WEED OR GOT POWDER BUT I AINT GOT EITHER. GOT ALOT OF DEMONS

12-02-2018, 07:04 PM	#4
Elemental P Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 856 Rep Power: 4507453	But as I said I changed it from it being about the 18 Billion dollars to each dollar would go to save an animals life. If you want to keep it like the original question and just keep the money idc do as u please.

12-02-2018, 07:19 PM	#6
Sharp HE / HIM / FRAC Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: PA Posts: 11,592 Battle Record: 56-21 Accomplishments - 50+ Wins Champed - The Ultimate Writer - NBL Cypher - 1-2 Punch League Rep Power: 12601535	So you've rewritten the trolley lever thought experiment?

12-02-2018, 07:21 PM	#8
dull boy consults Lloyd Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4,075 Battle Record: 0-8 Champed -1-2 Punch League Roast Rep Power: 39345600	Is this a serious thread?

12-02-2018, 08:11 PM	#10
DMS DMS—Diddled My Stick Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 1,104 Rep Power: 0	I feel my former thread about punching blind children n shit was a bit better then this ngl, and that was just a meme. I’d fucking clobber that puppy, no joke. Animals besides us are under our control for a reason. We’re top dogs on this earth, unlike all those other pussies, including the actual pussies. But if the destruction of those animals, all 18 million, effect the environment in ways that negatively effect humans in the future, I’d have to rethink.

12-02-2018, 10:16 PM	#13
boof Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,620 Rep Power: 21316669	if it's not objectively wrong then neither is the perspective of the rich people in his statement and that's part of the point so hopefully you get it now

12-02-2018, 10:56 PM	#17
Sharp HE / HIM / FRAC Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: PA Posts: 11,592 Battle Record: 56-21 Accomplishments - 50+ Wins Champed - The Ultimate Writer - NBL Cypher - 1-2 Punch League Rep Power: 12601535	Agreed. We haven't seen the new season yet but I'm worried it might get too convoluted for me to want to follow

12-03-2018, 12:14 AM	#20
Elemental P Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 856 Rep Power: 4507453	And yea I chose the money as well but I would have to use at least Some of it for a good cause. Like create no profit organization for rescuing animals and for people in need. But I guess I'm just weird. Or actually have a soul, can't tell with the lot of fucked up individuals in here.