Alright here's my pseudo-philosophical thought: I don't believe in truly 'free' will

[Sharp]

In a traditional sense, at least. And this isn't any predestination stuff, I'm still pretty squarely an atheist. I was given this idea by a friend about a year ago and came around to it a few months back.

Basically, the crux of the idea is that everything that would guide your decisions is already set. Who you are as a decision maker is determined mostly by who you are as a person in the moment, built on past experiences and your personality, and grows mostly due to external stimuli, none of which you can really control. Your reaction to those external stimuli are based on the other factors (which, again, are out of your control). All this put together means you (and by extension, your actions) are more or less set in stone

have fun with this

or don't

it's apparently not really up to us


tldr

[Qualm]

This is basically just the same as people who believe that there are infinite universes with an infinite number of timelines, and that time being viewed as the present/past is just your perspective since everything is all happening at once. You’re experiencing a single timeline where all the outcomes have already been determined, and an infinite number of sharps are all on their own timelines making different decisions. I wouldn’t call it pseudointellectualism since there’s plenty of physicists who are working to prove this, but obviously it doesn’t have nearly as much conclusive evidence for it as something like evolution. Good post

[uh-oh]

i think this is another thing sam harris espouses to tie it into the other thread

i don't buy it but i get it. its mainly the contrarian in me. like FUCK THAT i'll stab myself right now. but then i think well maybe i was predestined to be that big of an asshole to stab myself to try and prove im in control of my DESTINY

at which point i think hey, maybe. and then continue on with life

[Big Bolo]

I have the free will to come in this thread and tell you to stfu....fuck its like Believcees.org around this bitch lately....I'm about to create some drama just to distract you from this BS, goddamn you veritas...

[Sharp]

Originally Posted by Qualm

This is basically just the same as people who believe that there are infinite universes with an infinite number of timelines, and that time being viewed as the present/past is just your perspective since everything is all happening at once. You’re experiencing a single timeline where all the outcomes have already been determined, and an infinite number of sharps are all on their own timelines making different decisions. I wouldn’t call it pseudointellectualism since there’s plenty of physicists who are working to prove this, but obviously it doesn’t have nearly as much conclusive evidence for it as something like evolution. Good post

I wouldn't call it multiple timelines since that's very theoretical (seeing as we can only prove one timeline exists) and this is just applied to what's happening in our very real lives.

I don't know enough about multiple timelines to say how this relates to one specific timeline in those theories tbh. Glad you like it though

Originally Posted by uh-oh

i think this is another thing sam harris espouses to tie it into the other thread

i don't buy it but i get it. its mainly the contrarian in me. like FUCK THAT i'll stab myself right now. but then i think well maybe i was predestined to be that big of an asshole to stab myself to try and prove im in control of my DESTINY

at which point i think hey, maybe. and then continue on with life

I had the same thought when this was mentioned to me. But you didn't stab yourself right now. The contrarian in you is why you want to think that for the sake of a rhetorical argument, but at its core, I'm just saying that everything that informs our choices has already happened, meaning we can't really call our choices a product of truly free will

It's more of a semantics than philosophical argument

Originally Posted by Big Bolo

I have the free will to come in this thread and tell you to stfu....fuck its like Believcees.org around this bitch lately....I'm about to create some drama just to distract you from this BS, goddamn you veritas...

Like I said to uh-oh, it's the fact that everything about you that led you to come into this thread is already set. You were going to come into a brand new thread to post some of this shit because:

-personal - you're a still the negative attention lover who likes to antagonize this forum and start shit
-past experiences - your personal and boarding experience, which informs your decisions, and in some ways you're the product of our own unavoidable decisions
-external stimuli - I made this thread

So what part of that has you freely choosing to come here and make this post? You're compelled to come here and say this because of factors beyond your current control

[Big Bolo]

Lmao wtf? Bitch you sound like the loser fucking nerd that everyone avoids at the party because your constantly talking about some stupid shit....

I thought you were going to run a tourney, focus less on this thread subject and do that...

You read too many veritas post....damn V literally effecting your brain waves, maybe he is a better troll....

[Big Bolo]

Btw I'm off of work for the next 48 hrs, so I got plenty time to go back and forth with you(aka ruin your thread), fucks up? Lol @ sharp think he got it all figured out, like literally...smh

[Qualm]

Dia your boarding has gotten significantly worse lately

[GUDELJ]

@Diode can you just ban him already?

[Big Bolo]

Lol daddy he's on my side....

[Sharp]

Originally Posted by Big Bolo

Btw I'm off of work for the next 48 hrs, so I got plenty time to go back and forth with you(aka ruin your thread), fucks up? Lol @ sharp think he got it all figured out, like literally...smh

You missed what in saying lol

Literally just that

You have free time

You're here and posting

Everything that is setting you up to choose to do this is already set - the external parts (netcees and your employer being sick of the reminder that they made the mistake of hiring you) and the pieces of your personality that drive you to want to do that (desperately wanting the attention from us, good or bad) are already set. It's more a semantic thing, but the jist is, of course you'll be here posting. There was no other way the next two days could go

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Big Bolo

I have the free will to come in this thread and tell you to stfu....fuck its like Believcees.org around this bitch lately....I'm about to create some drama just to distract you from this BS, goddamn you veritas...

in this timeline you're a stupid faggot and lowest tier boarder active (maybe ever)

[DMS]

Originally Posted by Sharp

In a traditional sense, at least. And this isn't any predestination stuff, I'm still pretty squarely an atheist. I was given this idea by a friend about a year ago and came around to it a few months back.

Basically, the crux of the idea is that everything that would guide your decisions is already set. Who you are as a decision maker is determined mostly by who you are as a person in the moment, built on past experiences and your personality, and grows mostly due to external stimuli, none of which you can really control. Your reaction to those external stimuli are based on the other factors (which, again, are out of your control). All this put together means you (and by extension, your actions) are more or less set in stone

have fun with this

or don't

it's apparently not really up to us


tldr

Well, our passions and our will are different. Also to have free will is to reason and have control over your physical state. So which do we not have?

[Diode]

These men aren't nazis, Donny. They're nihilists. Say what you want about the tenets of nationalist socialism, but at least it's an ethos.

These men believe in nothing.

[Exis]

Thought Gj & Big were suckin' each other, guess not...
@Sharp, my bad didn't read everythin' fam...Are you sayin' Destiny is determined by choices, or is I completely off kilter?...

[Sharp]

Diode gets me

Originally Posted by DMS

Well, our passions and our will are different. Also to have free will is to reason and have control over your physical state. So which do we not have?

I feel like you're missing the point

Every determining factor in any of those is based on stuff that has already happened or already set about you. You can't really have an effect on anything that you control because your reasons for acting a certain way are based on all that

Like I've been saying, it's semantics

Originally Posted by Exis

Thought Gj & Big were suckin' each other, guess not...
@Sharp, my bad didn't read everythin' fam...Are you sayin' Destiny is determined by choices, or is I completely off kilter?...

Not really talking destiny. Just saying when you make a decision and choose A instead of B, everything that informed your decision to pick A is something you can't control (like your personality and past experiences)

Really it's just a petty issue with how the phrase 'free will' is interpreted

[Exis]

Nah I get what your sayin' bro...Sorry, like I made a decision to get a parent from my child's school out of a domestic violence relationship (& apparently she is now, which is great if that's the case) only to be completely shut out by her...If I had chosen not to I wouldn't of not only been hurt but would of regretted not steppin' in...That's like A plus B yes?

[veritas]

Sharp,

I have much to say about this. Would you allow it?

[Destroyer]

Here we go

[Destroyer]

Wouldn’t you simply be able to up and move to a completely new environment and thereby change your external input sources thus changing anything that may have been predetermined by biological and internal factors? I see the argument that this very choice would also be predetermined, but... what if the choice was made simply to disprove your argument? What if it was made again and again? I think free will lies in that area where we legitimately could make decisions like this. I think we do all the time.