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We're at almost 300k deaths now, but it would have been a much higher number without the public health interventions. More people would have caught the virus and more people would have died. You can't only keep elderly people at home because people who aren't at risk are still carriers. You can't isolate at risks populations 100% because they generally need care. You would also need to isolate caretakers. But if caretakers are mixing with general population with widespread community infections, you're going to end up killing the elderly anyway. Also, deaths and health complications AREN'T limited to the elderly. A lot of it is luck of the draw. If you get a bad case you can die or have permanent disability even if you're young and considered "healthy". Not to mention hospital capacity. We're maxed out now with the interventions that have been put in place. When you run out of hospital capacity completely death rates will go up across the board for covid/non-covid because you can no longer keep up with treating preventable disease. The pandemic will end when we get to population immunity. This can either happen by getting exposed to the virus, getting antibodies from blood plasma, or getting one of the vaccines. Depending on what mix of those options we end up with more/fewer people will die, and it will end sooner/later. All of this stuff is scientifically predictable at this point. Also for the record, I'm not blindly pro-vaccine or pro-lockdown. I'm personally hesitant to take a vaccine where there have been no studies of long term side effects. Also only think lockdowns are needed in places where hospital capacity is an issue. Long term you have to keep the economy going or a lot more people will die from poverty and starvation. But I'm also not going to ignore the fact that some level of intervention needs to be taken to prevent the worse case of deaths. Masks and masks mandates are proven effective at lowering spread and keeping deaths down. The vaccine will slow down the community spread for the people who are willing to take it. It will be a while before any of us have access to it anyway. We only ordered 50million doses through Feb, so that's only 25million people getting the vaccine (roughly 1 of 13 Americans) |
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pretty much zero chance of that happening, but thanks for the advice.
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12-11-2020, 04:08 PM | #44 |
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im just trolling don't mind me. i read your whole post, after posting that lol. you seem well reasoned.
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1- Not every single person will catch it. 2- There WILL be intervention So this is a moot theory. Quote:
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The vaccine is going to start being administered here as early as next week.
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I'm not going to go back and forth point by point. None of what I said in that post is theoretical.
Anything I said I can find peer reviewed scientific research to back it up. If you're really interested, give me a bullet list of questions and I will pinpoint facts for you. But the appearance at this point is that you've bought into your point of view and you're certain your right. I'm happy to entertain legitimate curiosity, but if you just want to argue, I don't actually care enough to convince you. We live in a world where people cling to the "facts" advocated by their partisan side. I don't mind passing on what I know, but I'm just one person, I'm not going to take responsibility for educating you. |
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3) thats why you apply social distancing and proper hygiene measures too |
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I think the incorrect use of the mask actually worsens the possibility of other diseases that spread on surfaces. Think about it, do you generally touch your face/head MORE or LESS while wearing the mask. Even if you ONLY factor in taking it on or off, the answer is more. Never mind adjusting it a million times. That's just common sense. Here's one of the MANY articles that outline the same https://nationalinterest.org/blog/re...e-masks-163228 2/3 health related issues regarding anything, are you dense? it's your choice what medical procedures get done to you, there's never been a mandated vaccine in history. It's an experimental product. LOL @ you thinking any human anywhere needs to argue why "forcing an experimental vaccine into me against my will" is a bad thing. Fuck outta here you trollin |
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There's a proposal in Congress to incentivize vaccinations by attaching them to a stimulus payment. Biden administration is going to be committed to pushing people to take vaccines, so for better or worse a large % of Americans will take them. Pretty much can only hope it's safe. At least it's better than the Russian "vaccine" where you're not supposed to drink for two months after taking it. Realistically it will probably become mandatory to show proof of vaccination to participate in the "new" normal once the vaccine is widespread. If you want to go to events etc, you'll have to prove you're not a carrier. |
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Coop is a legitimate fucking retard. Stop posting you pseudo-intellectual clown. Paragraph ass boy
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yea.. assumed you thought it wasnt any good cuz u said there shouldn't be a mandate.. my point still stands tho, im sure there MIGHT be collateral effects due to wearing face masks, but the positive effects outweight any of those potential consequences anyhow.. not gonna change ur mind bro, hope you don't get COVID cuz ur ass will be spreadin that shit around irresponsibly. also, I never said anything about vaccines, so Fuck outta here |
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Whether you disagree or agree with me, you probably base much of your argument on 1) what doctors/other experts say, and 2) your knowledge on the subject.
Well, I suggest you take a look at World doctors alliance .com Thousands of doctors, (with much more expert knowledge on the subject than you or I) agreeing on many things that go against what the mainstream & social media would have you believe. The front/only page is maybe a 5-10 minute read and sourced. |
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I base most of my opinions on the reported data from the virus.
All the information necessary to form accurate conclusions is publicly available. I'm a MIT educated data scientist and I know what to look for and how to derive my own conclusions. There are no reputed scientists with a background in virology who are advocating the things you mention in this thread. world doctors alliance .com/ about / <- this page has the credentials of your "doctors" I see general practitioners, dentists?, public speakers, and Republican Senator Scott Jensen. This isn't a medical organization, it's a political one in masquerade. |
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Not to mention, this is just a collective of medical professionals putting it together in a nice condensed fashion. It wouldn't take you a long search through social media or duckduckgo to find many doctors and viral experts who've come out and said something contrary to the national narrative. |
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If you want to get a partisan opinion ask a politician. If you want to get a scientific opinion ask a scientist. And all scientist are not equal. A virologist and an immunologist aren't the same thing. Look for someone who has studied corona viruses before (your immunologist hasn't). |
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