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Old 03-23-2019, 08:23 PM   #41
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I think we're both athiests knuck
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I believe in deities. I just don’t think we can say which religion is “right” if any even are.
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I don't believe in deities. So I was wrong. You're not an athiest. But I'm surprised you believe in deities.
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I believe in deities. I just don’t think we can say which religion is “right” if any even are.
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I don’t make up definitions, so the one in the dictionary
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i don't think you're agnostic knuck.

i don't believe in deities. but i consider myself agnostic because its literally me coming from a place of humans don't have the capability of knowing one way or the other, so taking a hard side of atheist/religious is goofy

if you have a belief in deities that negates the whole agnostic thing
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i don't think you're agnostic knuck.

i don't believe in deities. but i consider myself agnostic because its literally me coming from a place of humans don't have the capability of knowing one way or the other, so taking a hard side of atheist/religious is goofy

if you have a belief in deities that negates the whole agnostic thing
But it doesn’t.

Do you guys not know how to use an actual, physical dictionary?

If you believe nothing is likely or possible you’re an atheist

If you think we have no way of knowing (meaning you believe in deities of some nature) than you’re agnostic.

Saying you can’t say means you are open to any religion possibly being right but none being factually “right”.
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nah doggie

if you believe in deities you ain't agnostic. if you believe in the possibility of deities you can probably define it as being agnostic. but a hardline stance of a belief in deities negates the whole point of agnosticism, which is not knowing.

i don't believe in deities, of any defined religion, but i'm not arrogant enough to say they don't exist. that doesn't mean i believe they do exist though.
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You’re wrong. I don’t have anything else to put forward so.
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i mean you can link whatever dictionary you subscribe to and im pretty sure it would state exactly what i've been saying.
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i mean you can link whatever dictionary you subscribe to and im pretty sure it would state exactly what i've been saying.
Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable.

Im not saying a certain deity exist. I’m saying I believe there’s some sort of power over something most likely but we’ll never know and it’s kind of a waste of the time we have on earth worrying about it. To not believe in deities as a possibility makes you an atheist.
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Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable.

Im not saying a certain deity exist. I’m saying I believe there’s some sort of power over something most likely but we’ll never know and it’s kind of a waste of the time we have on earth worrying about it. To not believe in deities as a possibility makes you an atheist.
thats what i've been saying. the only difference is you said you believe in deities. you didn't say you believe in "the possibility of deities". i'm saying that means you aren't agnostic. whether you think that deity has to be a defined one is irrelevant to the argument.
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Here, Knuck

“Agnostic atheism is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.

The agnostic atheist may be contrasted with the agnostic theist, who believes that one or more deities exist but claims that the existence or nonexistence of such is unknown or cannot be known.[1][2][3]”
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thats what i've been saying. the only difference is you said you believe in deities. you didn't say you believe in "the possibility of deities". i'm saying that means you aren't agnostic. whether you think that deity has to be a defined one is irrelevant to the argument.
I believe in the possibility of higher powers, through transitivity of not beleiveing we can know anything is certain.

I don’t understand what’s complicated about this.
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“Agnostic atheism is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.

The agnostic atheist may be contrasted with the agnostic theist, who believes that one or more deities exist but claims that the existence or nonexistence of such is unknown or cannot be known.[1][2][3]”
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I’m also not white uh oh, I’m of primarily Northern European descent. Since categorizing as the most relevant step in a hierarchy of identity isn’t cool cus logic is hard.
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these are different statements.

my posts have been in response to the first quote in this post. its a line in the sand stance, compared to the second quote in this post, where you post the uncertain, actual agnostic stance.
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I’m also not white uh oh, I’m of primarily Northern European descent. Since categorizing as the most relevant step in a hierarchy of identity isn’t cool cus logic is hard.
im just saying you're bringing up all this talk of definitions and dictionaries while not adhering to them. i didn't even know it got broken down further like what des posted.

i was just operating off the baseline definition of agnosticism.
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im just saying you're bringing up all this talk of definitions and dictionaries while not adhering to them. i didn't even know it got broken down further like what des posted.

i was just operating off the baseline definition of agnosticism.
I didn’t. Pharaoh did.
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