Aero vs Saint (Open for Votes!)

[Aero]

12 lines due soon.

@Saint when do you want to post?

[Pharaohs Army]

Nice matchup on paper here gents, if accepted:
anticipating it, gl both

No Show %:
Aero -- 17.5%/82.5% since he proposed
Saint -- 35/65 before check-in; 7.5%/92.5% WITH check-in

Anytime Odds Aero%:
Ass-licking line appears once in the verse - 15% chance [now that I mentioned it, lol.]

Over/Under Odds Saint%:
% of gun-bar lines - out of total #of lines: 37.5% [now that I mentioned it, lol.]

out of 100

just joshin' guys. Have fun. let's get it.

[Saint]

Originally Posted by Aero

12 lines due soon.

@Saint when do you want to post?

within a couple days. You can set a due.

[Aero]

Due Wed night Feb 8 at the latest @Saint

[Saint]

Scene about my girl?

try it! she's not in-tune w/ your size cuz it's just too regular..
you'd be a Step Down. better off Dropping the D to something heavier
accepted to feel big, the chance of a win gotten u spirited
5'6 150? Gone. Ur Maslow & motivating needs at top of his pyramid
you first caused most views on the lime? LOL false pride nig
weird flex... if Austins a Prime Mover hes doing his amazon side gig
recession tightened ur belt. up in $1 stores scanning prices..
hang tight.. next Self Checkout ull do is suicide in an existential crisis
add allll the pegging/anus bars & we'd be here for hours
I got my version of Aer Quotes too....this "2 2 squeezing" more than Bennett Brauer
bullets pelt his thighs. dance til he on the ground 'let em die'
crime scene: legs too graphic king...only 'Aer above the waist' like Elvis live

[Saint]

@Aero up

[Aero]

*Aero & Saint's Girlfriend at the Jay-Z Concert*

"H TO the IZZO!!"

They're having a great time front row until Aero starts to feel queasy

Saint's GF: "Aero, what's wrong?!"
Aero: "I don't know HOE, I guess I don't drink enough water, follow me to the restroom"


I threw her in the stall &

Gave your girl a golden shower, that's what your hoe is about
Told her "Throw up the Roc!!" then passed a kidney stone in her mouth
You didn't know she sucked diseased penis? Stop it brah
When she said she like the Baltics it wasn't Latvia
Saint called her while she was sucking, Hoe answered devastated
She said "UMMMMmmm" this idiot said "Oops, just call after meditation"
You 230 pounds, Thanksgiving? You bumrush to get in the line
Guess you can say it's turkey's fault, the rumbling took innocent lives
Look bruh, I'm having okra with Oprah, I'll leave you broken fam
Trust, I'll leave Saint Nicholas like Santa's wife with an only fans
This weirdo snorts when he laughs, that's why I don't like to joke
I said something funny, he chuckled then did a line of coke

[White LGI]

Vote saint

[Pharaohs Army]

As I prefaced in my last battle-vote,
Not a hardcore traditional battle guy, but I've seen enough to weigh in when
Voting is hard to come by.

What does that mean?
-Well, it means I've used Google on Saint's verse maybe 3 times. Not a problem, just trying to be informed before I judge a punch.
- It means I might "not get" every netcee reference if it involved older Battle arena stuff.
- I haven't decided (yet) whether I am going to do a 1-5 grade-scale per punch (as I did w/ Blue & Ajax http://www.netcees.org/showthread.php?t=152567)
OR, If I'm just going to talk about each punch and then make a summation vote/decision at the end without numerical grading.
- &Lastly, lol. Long "Objective/Answer/Pharaoh-like" Explanations of bars may occur... (EVEN if these 2 verses were keyed in short periods for fun by these guys). But hey, that's why we're here. The nitty-gritty.

Guess we'll find out as we go, and I'm sure an edit or 2!
All the disclaimers aside, let's take a look:
(Thanks for both competitors dropping.)
============================================

Saint

Scene about my girl?

try it! she's not in-tune w/ your size cuz it's just too regular..
you'd be a Step Down. better off Dropping the D to something heavier
Clever & underrated, on 2nd look!: If you'll notice, Saint has just anticipated Aero's verse (at the very least the opener) from the get-go here. Fully expecting a take-my-girl approach from Aero (not gonna knock the guy because he executes it well, usually)...so this is more of a compliment for Saint, who must be very familiar with Aero's bars. The punch consists of a Height diss (Again, 2nd read, only known after bar #4 below), + a sex w/ fat-chicks diss.
accepted to feel big, the chance of a win gotten u spirited
5'6 150? Gone. Ur Maslow & motivating needs at top of his pyramid
Height diss & "hype vs. execution/motivation" diss:
I like the single word sentence/exclamation of "gone." Really important for everything: tone (especially), &to a lesser extent syllable-count needs.
Psychology reference, not the most complex flip in the world, but gets towards Aero's efforts/abilities.
you first caused most views on the lime? LOL false pride nig
weird flex... if Austins a Prime Mover hes doing his amazon side gig
Love the humor and the concept of the punch... really great, and corporate wordplay...The nerd in me here Saint you'll get the nitpick that the punch on line 2 has too many syllables IMO...I think the word "his" is a problem..."an" would be a quicker connector for doing - - amazon...just a thought..."false pride *** / amazon side gig": I'm dying for just 1-2 little capital letters on the first of these 3-syllable multies...maybe cuz I suck, but that one little thing can let the reader know if you wanna emphasize "false", "pride", "'w'ig", or 2 of the 3, or all 3...
***LAAATE edit gents... Caught myself being the old Pharaoh...going way in depth on a bar I prolly fucked up...indeed that is the case on final "audio-check" I see no need for any capital letters or special emphasis...THATS WHAT YOU GET ON A TEXT SITE you idiots I'M READING WRITING B4 testing "enough"...Saint, didn't help that I was in a situation on a laptop with company present, couldn't exactly get at it immediately...Moving along,***[we're keeping all this edit-talk in, AND the mistake, which continues below...Lol.]*** ***
We all speak differently and have diff accents, so I'm surely over-analyzing. But that's what this is Saint. This is what a Pharaoh vote might talk about. It's "personal suggestions", NOT omg-docking this punch for one syllable and one trick multi!....In other words, as I said at the top: I like the punch...guessing Austin is Aero's real name...
recession tightened ur belt. up in $1 stores scanning prices..
hang tight.. next Self Checkout ull do is suicide in an existential crisis
Pretty nice/sick-in-a-good way Broke/ Mental health/ diss.. PLUS a suicide wordplay on hang tight...PLUS he typed "$1", for reader flexibility: an olde english full word of "dol lar" [space added4 my point] would have provided a "trickier" execution... This is a great bar (and another PLUS is if he threw this bar in for not only Aero his opponent, but Myself who had hyped the battle pre-game and had announced voting intentions!)...NOW, that MAY be my huge ego wanting everything to be about me [ironically, I'm in the top 5, WITH Aero and probably few others]...All in all, I'm saying it's a great bar despite the short length. So, as efficient as it comes in other words. Which makes me happy I hyped/voted this short battle because that means this verse was not simply quick-keyed immediately...
Nice details throughout so far Saint; shows you're a veteran of this...
add allll the pegging/anus bars & we'd be here for hours
I got my version of Aer Quotes too....this "2 2 squeezing" more than Bennett Brauer
Alright this is gonna sound biased because...I LIKE the name-play of "Aer quotes"...it also "paints an image" of the closer on the punch (ONCE I googled the name...I am familiar w/ that era SNL and of course that character, but tbh I didn't know the name)...Long story short, it's a little bit cheesy, and ANY young reader/rapper will have to google..[OR stoners who knew the skits but not his full name]...So, DESPITE the fact that I love that he made fun of Aero's past assplay bars, as was hyped in the undercard, lol...despite all that I think it's decent but a lil' corny and wouldn't be graded as highly as some of the previous punches.
bullets pelt his thighs. dance til he on the ground 'let em die'
crime scene: legs too graphic king...only 'Aer above the waist' like Elvis live
Again, I feel the closer is good/ok for sure...just not as impactful as some of the earlier bars I gushed about... I feel like the end-rhymel/phonetics on 'dis aren't quite as tight as earlier bars....CONTENT-Wise, it's Not a complaint that I had to google it...PLUS I simultanously used "crime scene" in my recent rhymes so I Love that phrase...The bar WOULD be better if Aero is known in any circles as "king" or tried 2 refer 2 himself that way some time, Lol...right? I do see that is the word which makes the simile effective...I just am not sure about "Elvis live"..


Long story short:
Saint... AND Aero if you're reading.
This is just me trying to execute analysis, riffing (but trying to sound knowledgable, heh)...
In other words, please focus on all the positives in the meat of the verse and try to understand my critiques at the end we're just comparisons to how sick the earlier partz were...And trying to give feedback for improvement for any writers out there, even if these legends don't need it/ and/or Keyed it!

Nice drop Saint...I am like a sponge as you see, and am just trying to learn/and offer my nerd breakdowns, which have (hopefully) improved over the many years.
Verse shows experience, and these 12-bangers r a nice break from topical wizards who want to write forever.

Moving right along,
=========================================

Aero
*Aero & Saint's Girlfriend at the Jay-Z Concert*

"H TO the IZZO!!"

They're having a great time front row until Aero starts to feel queasy

Saint's GF: "Aero, what's wrong?!"
Aero: "I don't know HOE, I guess I don't drink enough water, follow me to the restroom"


I threw her in the stall &
Okay and we have the typical positives and negatives of an Aero verse opener:
Positives: He does it very well usually, with a "scene set-up", paints a nice picture, whatever tf he needs to get the opener to hit how he wants, usually, lol...His setup could be his cheat-code guys... not sure yet.
[WE DONT KNOW MY SAMPLE SIZE, OR MY STATE OF MIND, OR HOW MANY TIMES I'VE SEEN AERO "BARZ"...IT'S NOT A TON, BUT ITS MORE THAN 3-4...maybe 5-6 OVER 6.5 "Active"years / BEST GUESS]
Negatives: It's longer than anybodys'?. I've never heard a rule about intros. But hey, I guess if others don't "choose" to incorporate it, doesn't mean he can't take any advantage he wants - if it's within the rules. Long story short:
His setup could be his cheat-code guys...
Gave your girl a golden shower, that's what your hoe is about
Told her "Throw up the Roc!!" then passed a kidney stone in her mouth
Ok, Graphic /harsh "R.Kelly-like" opener, using his Intro-Jayz-wordplay on the end...4 syllable multi...Gol- / Throw rhyme [preceding that....Saint anticipated the take-your-girl Aero approach, but his opener is more about what he'll do to her, lol.
You didn't know she sucked diseased penis? Stop it brah
When she said she like the Baltics it wasn't Latvia
Again, more "easy" yet tricky wordplay by Aero, makes some complex words/countries rhyme pretty smoothly with a nice "stop it brah"...which gives good tone,(much like Saint's "gone.") It's more girl-abuse...a strong-suit...if he's just battling 12 with an old rival he's gonna drop his strenghts early, even if his opponent knows it...
Saint called her while she was sucking, Hoe answered devastated
She said "UMMMMmmm" this idiot said "Oops, just call after meditation"
Now that I've excused his strengths of girl-abuse(sex) barz, he continues...ahem...with, frankly a slightly lazy multi- at the end....I just gotta 'rib' A, and find somethin' wrong...but on the real, this bar is good + phonetic + wordplay, but NOT quite as well-executed as the previous 2-3 punches of graphics, shall we say, lol...
You 230 pounds, Thanksgiving? You bumrush to get in the line
Guess you can say it's turkey's fault, the rumbling took innocent lives
IF he's 230 that's a great line...IF he's making that weight up it's just a good line...I like it...the multi is WAY better than my one last bar nitpick...the concept? Great. Lol, the turkey's fault...These guyz r b0th veteran writerz...etc,
Look bruh, I'm having okra with Oprah, I'll leave you broken fam
Trust, I'll leave Saint Nicholas like Santa's wife with an only fans
Holiday wordplay and if his name is Nicholas or Nick then it's even better...current events website simile, if you will...
This weirdo snorts when he laughs, that's why I don't like to joke
I said something funny, he chuckled then did a line of coke
Pretty lazy closer Aero...AGAIN, only compared with the heat on the other 6-8/12ths of it,,,I'm just "in-verse-bar-comparing vets" - at this point.
B4
the grade system + Vote***Edit

UNLESS THERE WAS A SKYPE/WEB-AUDIO SITUATION WHERE SAINT SNORTED LAUGHING AMONGST PEERS***llaaaaaate edit, AERO [<letz keep dat in] "...lol... OR
IF SAINT HAS A KNOWN CURRENT/ OR PAST HISTORY OF COKE USE/ ABUSE*******That****edit BOTH Those, ***would make it a way more impactful clozer...
===========================================
VOTING:
We all speak differently and have diff accents, so I'm surely over-analyzing. But that's what this vote is.
[Title for winner?]:

Flow: TIE
,guys. Frankly I thought both were pretty sick/smooth for a quick 12 line spar....1-10 in a boxing match they'd tie at
between 8.75-9.5 = ***[still voting. let'''s checkkkk, Answer:
9.125
Multis: Ever so slightly to Aero...I thought Saint's verse was pretty smooth "af", but Aero got tricky a couple times whereas Saint went for the safer route just a couple times (Not a bad thing..helps early/quick read execution I just thought it was real close so I had to pry...)
9-8.5
Personals: UNDETERMINED, NOT A KNOWN # FOR THE READER [refer up top of Vote]
-
Generics:Tie!!! Again, I thought these 2 brought the heeeeat at least 70-75% of the time, considering a quick Twelver....
9.5-9.5
Creativity: We're gonna FLIP the
9-8.5
here gents, in favor of mr. Saint, who called out Aero's content first half of the verse(HOWever well executed it may've been done, Aero...&props), on his opener...
Uhhh...Tie so far,
36.125 / 40TIE
Saint:
you first caused most views on the lime? LOL false pride nig
weird flex... if Austins a Prime Mover hes doing his amazon side gig
recession tightened ur belt. up in $1 stores scanning prices..
hang tight.. next Self Checkout ull do is suicide in an existential crisis
Fire.
(on second peek, as you saw. my bad.)
Aero:
You 230 pounds, Thanksgiving? You bumrush to get in the line
Guess you can say it's turkey's fault, the rumbling took innocent lives
Look bruh, I'm having okra with Oprah, I'll leave you broken fam
Trust, I'll leave Saint Nicholas like Santa's wife with an only fans
Fire.
("okra"is a throw-in rhymecheat, but that's what text is sometimes i guess? Lol.)

Quatrains...ahem...or double-punches O.T.B., (there)folks.
Ladies&gents.
In what is still a tie.

"Personal preference"/Tiebreaker"/"Overall impact:" in a 2CLOSE 1, basically
Another TIE bitches.
Aero 8.5 [Loved the quote, and you're good at sex w/ ur girl disses, but you did Alot of them.]
Saint 8.5 [Loved the casual SWAG of this verse, just did not love your closing 4 lines (2 punches) near as much as the earlier partz...AGAIN, pure personal preference because I did not know the pop culture references...hard to hold that against u as we break the tie]....
Writing style:
(Soooo subjective) = To break a tie.... Aero writes MORE like me, but Saint's hitters r still fire, so this will NOT be in the voting we will KEEP it out of 50 and
Yes, the feedback here is the vote. That is NOT a cop-out, I swear, nor an ego-istic intentions to string readers along w/ huge vote-rambling...I just can't call this so I guess we need at least 5-6 voters...
44.625/50 vs. 44.625/50 12-line sparr.

Whatever. If this is 3-3 or 4-4****Last edit 2-2 or 3-3**** AND DEAD voting,, then I'll break a fucking cop-out.
It's 10 PM at this point.
SOrry losers, enjoy the rant.
Thanks for inspring me to write at netcees.

[Aero]

Yoooo Pharoah I read the whole breakdown. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the sport of writing. Helluva breakdown I wish I would've tried to write for real because of that vote. Always good to see someone appreciate the art.

[Pharaohs Army]

Originally Posted by Aero

Yoooo Pharoah I read the whole breakdown. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the sport of writing. Helluva breakdown I wish I would've tried to write for real because of that vote. Always good to see someone appreciate the art.

Thanks for appreciating my appreciation (& settling for my cop-out [for now])....
Keep that Saint/Quill open bud,
AND any other "non-trolling" battlez here OK...4 day weekend I'll spam netcees then take a break... Will get some votesssss in.

Off to work - peace
Haven't started AOWL topic yet!

[Civil Rawr xD]

Originally Posted by Aero

Yoooo Pharoah I read the whole breakdown. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the sport of writing. Helluva breakdown I wish I would've tried to write for real because of that vote. Always good to see someone appreciate the art.

Lmaooo

[Ajax]

I don’t think I’ve ever read Saint’s stuff. It was really witty. The opener is fire, if you know music theory. The Bennet Brauer was really obscure, but works if you watched SNL in the 90s. Existential crisis was solid. Really good verse. I’ll have to check your stuff out more.

Aero used the corny intro, bragged about passing a kidney stone, claimed to have a diseased dick, used ball tics and nickel less as wordplay (two terms no one has ever spoken), and said that doing a line of coke was apparently a diss. I know Aero’s whole style is to be a funny troll, but.. you have to be joking.

Saint won. It wasn’t close.

[Pharaohs Army]

UP----

Aero,
Upon re-reads if I had to break the tie, your 8.5-9 deficit in the creativity category might ever so slightly slip down a bit...(BUT HONESTLY DEPENDS ON IF THAT CLOSER IS LAZY OR IF SAINT ACTUALLY Snort-laughs& Snorts-coke)...
I donno... and Ajax vote did NOT sway that...it's just my honest LEANINGS IF i had to call it

Thanks for reading the whole breakdown and hey,

THIS POST IS NOT AN OFFICIAL "CALL"/ OR VOTE-change..still a tie technically so far (need more voters)-- IT'S TO "UP" THE BATTLE

AND BASICALLY A PUBLIC PM TO AERO TO SHATTER HIS "NON-EFFORT-KEY-DREAMS" OF BEING TIED OR WINNING.

=== Upping newer Blue vs. AJax

New cereal/pharaoh topical battle pending if leagues died.

[Pharaohs Army]

up again sorry
i mean, lets vote