things that interest you that others dont care about probably thread

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Witty

I do not believe so.

So you believe in evolution yes?

[Witty]

You know I do.

[veritas]

I had to ask.

Have you had direct experience with evolution?

[Witty]

I have experienced the empirical evidence of evolution in the form of fossils. Yes. I have actually held some of them.

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by veritas

Uh oh...can we agree that the apostles spread Christianity in its pure form l?

sure, but to me that doesn't prove jesus' existence as an actual person of history. which is what this discussion was about.

Originally Posted by veritas

Let’s be real for a second ok? Is there not enough in the Bible to learn study and practice?

i don't understand this question. a simple answer would be yes, but i wouldn't study and learn it in a religious sense as much as taking it in as a historical document, which you could cross reference with other works of antiquity. so you could glean extra viewpoints on different cultures of the period, but like with any document understand the bias of the men who wrote it.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Jesus being a real person isn’t relevant

L Ron is a real dude

[veritas]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

sure, but to me that doesn't prove jesus' existence as an actual person of history. which is what this discussion was about.



i don't understand this question. a simple answer would be yes, but i wouldn't study and learn it in a religious sense as much as taking it in as a historical document, which you could cross reference with other works of antiquity. so you could glean extra viewpoints on different cultures of the period, but like with any document understand the bias of the men who wrote it.

You being a history buff should see my point about the apostles sir. They all died horrible deaths. Horrible deaths. Horrible.

A man will not die for a lie. He will for the truth. The point is that they believed that Jesus was who he said he was. And that means that he proved it to them with miracles and reincarnating after death.

Think it through. Fair?

[Destroyer]

Men die for lies all the time
Look at soldiers

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Men die for lies all the time
Look at soldiers

Only thing great as god is merica

[sral]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

sure, but to me that doesn't prove jesus' existence as an actual person of history. which is what this discussion was about.

Certainly the non-Christians who wrote about him in the years following his putative death did not doubt he had once lived. The Roman historian Tacitus, writing in his Annals around 110 AD, mentions one “Christ, whom the procurator Pontius Pilate had executed in the reign of Tiberius.” The Jewish historian Josephus remarks on the stoning of “James, the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ.” The Talmud, a collection of Jewish writings, also refers to Christ, although it says he was the illegitimate son of a Roman soldier called Panther. Doubts about the historicity of Christ did not surface until the 18th century. In short, whether or not JC was truly the Son of God, he was probably the son of somebody.

The scenario where Jesus is 100% myth is less plausible than the scenario where mythic and legendary ideas are attached to a historical figure. Ergo, there is little reason to assume there is no historical Jesus, and rather a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest that there was one.

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by veritas

You being a history buff should see my point about the apostles sir. They all died horrible deaths. Horrible deaths. Horrible.

A man will not die for a lie. He will for the truth. The point is that they believed that Jesus was who he said he was. And that means that he proved it to them with miracles and reincarnating after death.

Think it through. Fair?

thought it through. it doesn't convince me.

also i misled you with my ignorance. in reference to apostles i meant early missionaries and people spreading christianity. my own ignorance thought the term meant in a broad sense, as in the early people spreading the message, i didn't realize it meant the 12 mentioned specifically in the bible.

i only mention that because there isn't really evidence they existed either. in the same way jesus could be a figure representative of early jews resisting the jewish roman regimes, the apostles could represent the early christians who were persecuted in spreading that message.

being a student of history my ignorance of the apostles is expected as they aren't mentioned in actual history. apologies.

[big baby]

evolution is fake i've been 2 years old for years u fucka idioytes

[veritas]

Originally Posted by sraL

Certainly the non-Christians who wrote about him in the years following his putative death did not doubt he had once lived. The Roman historian Tacitus, writing in his Annals around 110 AD, mentions one “Christ, whom the procurator Pontius Pilate had executed in the reign of Tiberius.” The Jewish historian Josephus remarks on the stoning of “James, the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ.” The Talmud, a collection of Jewish writings, also refers to Christ, although it says he was the illegitimate son of a Roman soldier called Panther. Doubts about the historicity of Christ did not surface until the 18th century. In short, whether or not JC was truly the Son of God, he was probably the son of somebody.

The scenario where Jesus is 100% myth is less plausible than the scenario where mythic and legendary ideas are attached to a historical figure. Ergo, there is little reason to assume there is no historical Jesus, and rather a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest that there was one.

So gone at Lars quoting things I was saying 8 years ago. Props

[veritas]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

thought it through. it doesn't convince me.

also i misled you with my ignorance. in reference to apostles i meant early missionaries and people spreading christianity. my own ignorance thought the term meant in a broad sense, as in the early people spreading the message, i didn't realize it meant the 12 mentioned specifically in the bible.

i only mention that because there isn't really evidence they existed either. in the same way jesus could be a figure representative of early jews resisting the jewish roman regimes, the apostles could represent the early christians who were persecuted in spreading that message.

being a student of history my ignorance of the apostles is expected as they aren't mentioned in actual history. apologies.

Bruh......you can deny the Bible as evidence. But there are plenty of historical books documenting the apostles especially their martyrdom

https://ibb.co/kZrMqJ

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Men die for lies all the time
Look at soldiers

No. Imagine that when the prospective soldier met with the recruiter they told them they were guaranteed to be tortured and murdered slowly and painfully. Only those who truly believed in the cause would.

Human nature and sound logic combo here guys. Cmon now. Put this over and give me a fair.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by big baby

evolution is fake i've been 2 years old for years u fucka idioytes

[Destroyer]

People believe shit that isn’t true all the time veritas
To assume that when death is on the line, people are somehow immune to being mistaken seems naive

[Destroyer]

I mean, those people drank the kool-aid bro
People do shit like that a lot
Waco?
Jonestown?
Why didn’t their impending death wake them up from their illusions?

[Witty]

Veritas are you suggesting that the only people who have willingly endured horrific pain, torture, and ultimately death, in the name of their faith, have been Christians?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

People believe shit that isn’t true all the time veritas
To assume that when death is on the line, people are somehow immune to being mistaken seems naive

If they had any doubts when it came time to renounce Christ or die a horrible death they would have. But they had seen the miracles and they seen him rise from the dead. If he was just a dude they would not have. Fair?