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Old 05-18-2019, 10:32 PM   #241
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that said im morally against abortion

but im also morally against pineapple on pizza
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Old 05-18-2019, 11:23 PM   #242
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It's absolutely stunning this bait topic got 11 pages.

Netcees is a time machine to 2008 internet.

Act like you've seen an abortion topic before, fellas.
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Old 05-18-2019, 11:26 PM   #243
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Going to download some 180p porn off Kaaza and bring up Hitler in an Obama election topic brb
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Old 05-18-2019, 11:45 PM   #245
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plz tell me u weren't trynna kazaa in 2008, we were on limewire watching chicks getting fucked by animals by '02-'03
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Sharebear (or whatever it was called), Limewire, Kazaa all had their uses. Fuck if I'm going to remember what year I was using which just for a joke on Netcees dot org.
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If republicans gave a real fuck about the sanctity of life, they wouldn’t continue to attack wages and attack impoverished mothers and communities of color, all while making sure most people in their own states are too poor to afford a single child. They mock them for wanting higher wages and they legislate higher wages into law for themselves just for fun.
They attack planned parenthood, which exists like 95% to ensure that people can plan for a family and have protected sex until they are ready for a child, and provide care and education ensuring that an abortion is the absolute last choice.
If republicans didn’t do all that, I might actually believe them when they go on and on about the preciousness of life. I wouldn’t agree, but they wouldn’t look like they’re completely full of shit like they do.
Women get abortions because they are unable to carry a child to term or unable to give it what it needs to grow and flourish. Usually because the pregnancy was unintended, be it consensual or through rape. Now, in the first case, it’s not super shocking that areas that don’t practice comprehensive sex education have a much higher rate of teen pregnancy.
They set them up with no education then pass laws based on their outdated draconian views on sex for them to try and live up to. They cripple healthcare and education, and set up an atmosphere of toxic masculinity that result in more rapes and less chances of reporting that rape less justice for rapists and less rape deterence.
It’s oppression, brutality, fear-mongering ignorance. They have no desire to actually protect life. Every policy they stand behind does the opposite in both philosophy and action.
If you dislike abortion, then your responsibility is to do everything in your power to ensure women don’t need to seek it out.
It’s pretty clear that this isn’t the case here.
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If republicans gave a real fuck about the sanctity of life, they wouldn’t continue to attack wages and attack impoverished mothers and communities of color, all while making sure most people in their own states are too poor to afford a single child. They mock them for wanting higher wages and they legislate higher wages into law for themselves just for fun.
They attack planned parenthood, which exists like 95% to ensure that people can plan for a family and have protected sex until they are ready for a child, and provide care and education ensuring that an abortion is the absolute last choice.
If republicans didn’t do all that, I might actually believe them when they go on and on about the preciousness of life. I wouldn’t agree, but they wouldn’t look like they’re completely full of shit like they do.
Women get abortions because they are unable to carry a child to term or unable to give it what it needs to grow and flourish. Usually because the pregnancy was unintended, be it consensual or through rape. Now, in the first case, it’s not super shocking that areas that don’t practice comprehensive sex education have a much higher rate of teen pregnancy.
They set them up with no education then pass laws based on their outdated draconian views on sex for them to try and live up to. They cripple healthcare and education, and set up an atmosphere of toxic masculinity that result in more rapes and less chances of reporting that rape less justice for rapists and less rape deterence.
It’s oppression, brutality, fear-mongering ignorance. They have no desire to actually protect life. Every policy they stand behind does the opposite in both philosophy and action.
If you dislike abortion, then your responsibility is to do everything in your power to ensure women don’t need to seek it out.
It’s pretty clear that this isn’t the case here.
Yet the economy is historically better under Republicans outside baby Bush and that was caused by bipartisan support of the war on terror being trumped up.

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im pro choice in the sense of law. meaning im against the GOVERNMENT telling anyone what to do pretty much ever.

but at the same time, the government is supposed to represent the people. if the people of alabama want to outlaw abortion, i feel they have the right to do that. the same way someone in a pro choice state should have the right to abort if thats what the people in that state want.

im not for hardline federal laws, or federal government in general.

so basically my POLITICAL stance is pro choice, but i respect other peoples stances, and don't think my views should dictate anyone elses life.

fairly simple.

a government is tasked with protecting the rights of its people, which would include the unborn if the unborn are persons. the real argument to be had here is whether fetuses are people.
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Do you think the people of Alabama voted for this to be passed? @uh-oh
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they voted to put the state senators and house representatives of alabama into office. it was ridiculously overwhelming btw. 25-6 in the senate and 74-3 in the house.

you vote for candidates whose views align with yours.
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a government is tasked with protecting the rights of its people, which would include the unborn if the unborn are persons. the real argument to be had here is whether fetuses are people.
i disagree. the fetuses are without a doubt human life, the argument is if that human life is valuable. thats the problem though because pro-lifers pretend that it holds the weight of killing a 5 year old kid full of potential with your bare hands, and the pro choicers pretend that its just a malignant growth of benign cells destined to kill the mother.

i'd have more respect for both sides of the debate if we could just look at it for what it actually is.
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You pro choice folk are really filled with rage
For those of us that have seen the mental downfall of a rape victim in our close circle the shit you're spewing is rage inducing. No way that girl would have survived living with that fetus inside her reminding her constantly about what happened on top of PTSD and nearly dying. Some of us get enraged because we know how fucking destructive those thoughts and ways of thinking can be for people.

Not everyone that deal with traumatic situations like rape by finding comfort in the child their bearing and bringing it to life as a way to move on and have something positive to focus on. For others that shit means literal Hell and keeping them back from getting past it all. And God knows there ain't enough parents that adopt kids, or enough places to house the kids mothers don't want properly.

You can't forget about the people living trying to make the best of it the way they know how. Forcing that shit on people is beyond incomprehensible for me. Perhaps we just have different life experiences. You're allowed to have your opinion but I feel it's definitely wrong to force it on people.

In terms of whether or not fetuses are people I believe consciousness is needed. A functioning brain isn't even there yet, the body is just body things at this point. I do not think it is a person yet, and it is morally OK to get rid of it rather than forcing someone to life that'll take its toll on everyone. (Tax payers money, the kids that'll have to grow up in the foster care system, the parents, rape victims, teenagers being teenagers and not thinking things through, etc.)
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i can't imagine getting raped as a teenager, then being responsible for carrying your rapist's child 9 months, enduring the bodily changes and pain of child birth associated with having a baby, medical bills associated with having a kid, throwing away all your career and life opportunities to be a single parent, being financially responsible for their kid for 18+ years, which all in turn also dwindles your relationship opportunities to which you have to explain to potential partners why there's no father in the picture all because you're legally required to birth and raise a kid who grows up to look exactly like your rapist

literally nothing that could ever happen to you as a male would be worse than that
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For those of us that have seen the mental downfall of a rape victim in our close circle the shit you're spewing is rage inducing. No way that girl would have survived living with that fetus inside her reminding her constantly about what happened on top of PTSD and nearly dying. Some of us get enraged because we know how fucking destructive those thoughts and ways of thinking can be for people.

Not everyone that deal with traumatic situations like rape by finding comfort in the child their bearing and bringing it to life as a way to move on and have something positive to focus on. For others that shit means literal Hell and keeping them back from getting past it all. And God knows there ain't enough parents that adopt kids, or enough places to house the kids mothers don't want properly.

You can't forget about the people living trying to make the best of it the way they know how. Forcing that shit on people is beyond incomprehensible for me. Perhaps we just have different life experiences. You're allowed to have your opinion but I feel it's definitely wrong to force it on people.

In terms of whether or not fetuses are people I believe consciousness is needed. A functioning brain isn't even there yet, the body is just body things at this point. I do not think it is a person yet, and it is morally OK to get rid of it rather than forcing someone to life that'll take its toll on everyone. (Tax payers money, the kids that'll have to grow up in the foster care system, the parents, rape victims, teenagers being teenagers and not thinking things through, etc.)
I like you but there is no point in this post. Everything you saw doesn’t apply to my criteria for life. Your brain function argument is not ground breaking nor is it plausible.

I only skimmed the top bit because I’ve already stated I don’t think rape victims should have to keep the baby.
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