things that interest you that others dont care about probably thread

[Destroyer]

1. You can make them your standards for the purpose of this question
2. What is vicarious redemption? The concept is that a person can throw their sins onto someone else. Vicarious redemption means that the actual sin, the responsibility, the guilt, the spiritual presence of a wrong-doing, can somehow be thrust upon another person, and the sinner is then completely redeemed and made clean. This does not just mean the person receiving the sin will just pay our debt (serve the sentence, in other words, which in and of itself is unjust).

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by veritas

Wrong. Christianity is the ultimate life philosophy as it is most aligned with the truth of human existence

Wrong. All subjective, you're opinion isn't fact. The world is bigger than you, and it's history is bigger than Christianity.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

1. You can make them your standards for the purpose of this question
2. What is vicarious redemption? The concept is that a person can throw their sins onto someone else. Vicarious redemption means that the actual sin, the responsibility, the guilt, the spiritual presence of a wrong-doing, can somehow be thrust upon another person, and the sinner is then completely redeemed and made clean. This does not just mean the person receiving the sin will just pay our debt (serve the sentence, in other words, which in and of itself is unjust).

1. I choose to say that my morality states that children are naturally sexual creatures and it is my job to make as many of them understand this and be true to their desires and not heed the lies their parents tell them. So it is not rape. It it Is consensual. Do you consider me moral?

2. I have never heard that term but that is essentially what Jesus did for us yes?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Knucklehead

Wrong. All subjective, you're opinion isn't fact. The world is bigger than you, and it's history is bigger than Christianity.

Do you have a code?

[Destroyer]

1. Not sure where you’re going with this. The common thought is that sex with children is frowned upon. People don’t need to see it written down to figure that out.
2. Yes, exactly. Why do you think this is possible? If you let’s say, for example, fuck a kid, I could say I will do your time for you. I could volunteer to pay the fines you are levied. I could stand in and take the lashings you would have received for your crime. What I can’t do, is take on the accountability of your actions. That rests with you, from the moment you choose to commit the act.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by veritas

Do you have a code?

Like a life code I live by? Or you asking if I have the keys on me?

[veritas]

1. What do you mean common thought? Lol. It’s right to me. Are you saying I am immoral? How do you not see how you have trapped yourself here Jude? Cmon man.
2. You keep bringing up raping kids so I see no problem with “accountability” if I go to jail for it it is only bc the laws of common thought (lol) are wrong and i did what was right to me.

I now am imprisoned for staying true to my beliefs. I am accepting suffering for my beliefs this is a very moral thing. Is it not?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Knucklehead

Like a life code I live by? Or you asking if I have the keys on me?

A life code.

[Destroyer]

Most people view Hell as punishment for sin, not debtor's prison. That God would require punishment for wrongdoing has some basic appeal. Something that would show that the individual suffered for the wrongs the individual did has some moral justification. But in the above example, of me taking on your punishment, the critics are right, passing the punishment on to someone not responsible for the wrongs loses the moral justification for exacting the punishment.

And if it's a debt to be paid, then god must be viewed as a scrooge/shylock type creditor. A creditor who would really exact a pound of flesh or send a debtor to prison is harsh, unforgiving, unloving. It is common to expect creditors to waive the debt when the repayment would be too much. Here, though, the creditor doesn't care who pays as long as the payment of the debt owed is made. That's not the sort of exemplary behavior we'd expect from an all good, all powerful, all knowing creditor.

The point I’m trying to make that for some reason you don’t want to deal with, is that I find the entire idea of christ’s redemption to be false in its claims of morality. No one can take on the sin of another. It’s just not possible

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by veritas

A life code.

Nothing concrete/written down.

Common sense and an ever evolving logical outlook

With that being said, if you're trying to say living christian is living right, I agree in the sense it teaches solid morals. I think being raised by it, I sometimes take for granted the lessons I learned at a young age and pawn it off as common sense. I think most anyone with a brain can piece it together though. Also, a SHIT ton of christians are fucknuts that in no way follow more than 10% of the moral compass

[WRATH]

Not understanding your own ego is named sin.

The revelation is one is not punished for sin, but by sin.

The bible is a very important book, if you take away the hype and receive the message.

[Destroyer]

Veritas, morals arise from an understanding of reality, not an assertion of authority

[Amen]

Holy fuck. I promised myself, to catch up with this thread this morning when I arrive in the office but I change my mind. You dudes seriously went in here. Going to add in the BOOKCEES thread once completed.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Most people view Hell as punishment for sin, not debtor's prison. That God would require punishment for wrongdoing has some basic appeal. Something that would show that the individual suffered for the wrongs the individual did has some moral justification. But in the above example, of me taking on your punishment, the critics are right, passing the punishment on to someone not responsible for the wrongs loses the moral justification for exacting the punishment.

And if it's a debt to be paid, then god must be viewed as a scrooge/shylock type creditor. A creditor who would really exact a pound of flesh or send a debtor to prison is harsh, unforgiving, unloving. It is common to expect creditors to waive the debt when the repayment would be too much. Here, though, the creditor doesn't care who pays as long as the payment of the debt owed is made. That's not the sort of exemplary behavior we'd expect from an all good, all powerful, all knowing creditor.

The point I’m trying to make that for some reason you don’t want to deal with, is that I find the entire idea of christ’s redemption to be false in its claims of morality. No one can take on the sin of another. It’s just not possible

i am at work on a pc so i may finally be able to articulate more fully: If I do so, will you hearken unto me? or as you say "Stop reading after..."?

[Inno]

I see you wrath

[Destroyer]

I don’t think I hit you with one of those, did I?

[sral]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

im not trying to disprove jesus was real. if he was real the burden of proof is on those who believe he is real. those who believe he is real continue to point to the same sources and claiming that that is proof. it is not. it's not enough for me. they are pretending that writings from the era are scarce and non existent. they are not.

hell philo of alexandria was a jewish scholar who wrote at length about pontius pilates rule over judea in 40 AD. this is 4 years after pontius pilate left office. how many mentions of jesus? zero.

There were accounts of Pilate, of course, not least the accounts in the Gospels.

But the records of his administration had disappeared completely: no papyri, no rolls, no tablets, no (authentic) letters to Rome. The Roman ruins that remained in Israel seemed to have nothing to do with him. Even his aqueduct - a project that got him into plenty of trouble at the time - appeared to have crumbled away.

Why isn't there more evidence, @uh-oh?

If you can't provide proof he existed, I can only assume - by your own logic in this thread - that he, like historic Jesus in your opinion, didn't exist.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I don’t think I hit you with one of those, did I?

no. I just wanted to make sure if I took the time to put forth a worthy answer to your question you would roll it around in the ole' noodle.


Now then, Sir, I will answer your question as simply as possible.

We owe a debt. We were born owing this debt. Our fathers owed this debt, as did their fathers, as will our children. God is not a "scrooge" as you said, rather he is merciful and fair. How so?

Because he realized that no one would be able to ever pay back the debt. The debt is too enormous. The debt is interwoven into our very nature. We cannot stop making debt. Even if you were to some how stop making a debt, you would eventually make another debt. The point is: we are not able to pay the debt, and we never will.

GOD realized this and paid the debt himself by allowing himself to take on the punishment for the debt (death) something, He, should have never had to. He said that "I will wipe away all your debt, because you owe it to me, and I know you will always owe and even make more, and because I love you, I will scratch your debt off the books." All we have to do is have faith that this is true. That is all he asks.

Would you like me to continue? Do you find error in my words sir?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by WRATH

Not understanding your own ego is named sin.

The revelation is one is not punished for sin, but by sin.

The bible is a very important book, if you take away the hype and receive the message.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Knucklehead

Nothing concrete/written down.

Common sense and an ever evolving logical outlook

With that being said, if you're trying to say living christian is living right, I agree in the sense it teaches solid morals. I think being raised by it, I sometimes take for granted the lessons I learned at a young age and pawn it off as common sense. I think most anyone with a brain can piece it together though. Also, a SHIT ton of christians are fucknuts that in no way follow more than 10% of the moral compass

Do you follow said code perfectly one hundred percent of the time for the entirety of you having it up to this point?