AOWL needs to be dumbed down to survive. Fact.

Diablo · 01-31-2021, 02:43 PM

I get it, the mods think that it’s participants want to be pushed to test themselves each week etc. I can’t fault them for that ideal. they’re doing what they think people want

but the reality speaks for itself, many people are struggling to write to the given topics which is leading to constant no shows and/or extensions being required

all of that is slowly throttling the life out of the league

upping the difficulty setting to hard mode right from the jump means more players who are trying it out for the first time are finding it difficult to get into the game (see: Blue Bayou this week etc)

if you made the topics easier for people they would spend less time chewing over what to write, granting them more time to get their verse down, minimising no shows and the need for extensions

i don’t want to use the term “dumb it down” but essentially I think that’s the answer

Eŋg · 01-31-2021, 08:40 PM

robots and skateboards, nigga.

fraze · 01-31-2021, 11:00 PM

I agree with this to some degree. Not sure what the best way to simplify things would be, maybe throwing in some open topic weeks or bring your own pic battles.

We also might want to experiment with a shorter line cap. Longer verses don't get read and don't get votes.

sral · 02-01-2021, 05:05 AM

I’m not familiar with the idea of Open Topics per se, so I may need some clarification on that point as Open Topic to me suggests people can just write whatever they want. Maybe im interpreting the idea wrong, but a shorter line limit (32 max?) may be a good idea to implement alongside something like a Topic Suggestions thread and you get to choose which you want from that on-going list. We could maybe have some sort of story leads, famous quotes, idioms alongside image topics.

We could run with a hard no-extensions rule also if the topics have been made easier and line limit lowered considerably.

It may be worth trialing at least to see how it performs. One week can’t hurt.

fraze · 02-01-2021, 07:09 AM

Yeah open topics is exactly what it sounds like. Write whatever you want and let the best verse win.

No extensions is rough if we're not on a regular weekly schedule. People have work and other lives and need to be able to schedule time to write. And some people need access to weekend time to write. Taking away exts isn't going to help have less no shows.

Also most important opinion on the subject is @Adverse. It's his league.

sral · 02-01-2021, 03:21 PM

lmao I definitely don’t like the idea of write what you want and best verse wins

UPN Zuch · 02-01-2021, 03:26 PM

That league is deader than Screech. Just put it out if it’s misery.

Adverse · 02-01-2021, 05:54 PM

As far as I know Blue didn’t say the topic was too hard, he no showed because it’s a fucking topical league tbh. To me challenging pics is the whole point of a league, to spin a story from your own interpretation of the picture is what makes a topical league to me.

Problem is voters not the no showers. The fact that it’s a topical league and you’re only going to get like 10% of the sites population to notice it is the biggest problem. Honestly about to just say fuck it

Witty · 02-01-2021, 06:31 PM

Topic thread.

4 pics, 4 titles, 4 quotes...every week.

Let people choose whichever they want.

It makes it feel more natural and gives the writer some more freedom, but also keeps restrictions in place that a topical league has to have.

Eviction · 02-01-2021, 06:50 PM

I signed out because it's acceptable for your opponent to drop 30 more lines than you 24 hours after seeing your verse, I know it's not against the rules but ethics is a thing, I wouldn't have had much of a problem if he didn't see my drop first and knew how much I dropped.

fraze · 02-01-2021, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eviction

I signed out because it's acceptable for your opponent to drop 30 more lines than you 24 hours after seeing your verse, I know it's not against the rules but ethics is a thing, I wouldn't have had much of a problem if he didn't see my drop first and knew how much I dropped.

It feels weird to agree with you on something. But yeah, that's not great sportsmanship.

fraze · 02-01-2021, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witty

Topic thread.

4 pics, 4 titles, 4 quotes...every week.

Let people choose whichever they want.

It makes it feel more natural and gives the writer some more freedom, but also keeps restrictions in place that a topical league has to have.

Probably the best idea in this thread so far. Where you been at Witty?

Maybe something like..
Topic thread.
32 line cap.
Non-voting penalty (Must vote 3 times or start -3 in voting)

I'd be down to help tally, not trying to make more work for Adverse.

Master Rock · 02-01-2021, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eviction

I signed out because it's acceptable for your opponent to drop 30 more lines than you 24 hours after seeing your verse, I know it's not against the rules but ethics is a thing, I wouldn't have had much of a problem if he didn't see my drop first and knew how much I dropped.

It is about quality, not quantity. I right to inspire myself into creating tracks and force myself beyond the wall to break through the block that writers may suffer with. I care not to win nor lose, I only care about utilizing my tools. So cry me a river, I always ask for extensions because there is never enough time...and I could really care less about what you wrote. I have written less than my opponents and more at times and it never really matters....it is the substance...and if I am viewing the post it is for the topic...trust I am not inspired by you...so do not get it twisted...Period.

Eviction · 02-01-2021, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Rock

It is about quality, not quantity. I right to inspire myself into creating tracks and force myself beyond the wall to break through the block that writers may suffer with. I care not to win nor lose, I only care about utilizing my tools. So cry me a river, I always ask for extensions because there is never enough time...and I could really care less about what you wrote. I have written less than my opponents and more at times and it never really matters....it is the substance...and if I am viewing the post it is for the topic...trust I am not inspired by you...so do not get it twisted...Period.

You seen my drop like 24 hours before you posted yours, you said that you would edit but was done was done imo, I would have been more lenient if you didn't see my verse before hand and had time to set on it, you could have matched and chose not to, but it's really not your fault because it's not technically against the rules, from now on if I agree to extensions it's going to be under the condition you match me, I think we are both good writers so more content will definitely come into play.

Eviction · 02-01-2021, 11:57 PM

I also swear I did not see contender match in the thread title when I done my verse and wasn't even aware it was a contender, I like to think if I knew it was a contender I would of went harder, is it just me or did they change the thread title mid-way through?

sral · 02-02-2021, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eviction

I signed out because it's acceptable for your opponent to drop 30 more lines than you 24 hours after seeing your verse, I know it's not against the rules but ethics is a thing, I wouldn't have had much of a problem if he didn't see my drop first and knew how much I dropped.

I’d also like to mention that this one particular incident was just you coming up against someone with poor sportsmanship and exploiting the situation

most the league don’t/wouldn’t do that

01-31-2021, 02:43 PM	#1
Diablo Badgerdick Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Showdown City Posts: 2,604 Battle Record: 11-2 Champed - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 22685548	AOWL needs to be dumbed down to survive. Fact. I get it, the mods think that it’s participants want to be pushed to test themselves each week etc. I can’t fault them for that ideal. they’re doing what they think people want but the reality speaks for itself, many people are struggling to write to the given topics which is leading to constant no shows and/or extensions being required all of that is slowly throttling the life out of the league upping the difficulty setting to hard mode right from the jump means more players who are trying it out for the first time are finding it difficult to get into the game (see: Blue Bayou this week etc) if you made the topics easier for people they would spend less time chewing over what to write, granting them more time to get their verse down, minimising no shows and the need for extensions i don’t want to use the term “dumb it down” but essentially I think that’s the answer

01-31-2021, 11:00 PM	#3
fraze Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 913 Battle Record: 14-24 Rep Power: 32898722	I agree with this to some degree. Not sure what the best way to simplify things would be, maybe throwing in some open topic weeks or bring your own pic battles. We also might want to experiment with a shorter line cap. Longer verses don't get read and don't get votes. __________________

02-01-2021, 05:05 AM	#4
sral Shrewd as evearthed Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 8,251 Battle Record: 28-3 Champed - Gimmick Battle League - The Winter Topical - Topical Martyrs - Lime Green Poetry Association - Lyric Olympics - Art of Writing League - Guerrilla Writing League (2x) - Black August II Rep Power: 85899391	I’m not familiar with the idea of Open Topics per se, so I may need some clarification on that point as Open Topic to me suggests people can just write whatever they want. Maybe im interpreting the idea wrong, but a shorter line limit (32 max?) may be a good idea to implement alongside something like a Topic Suggestions thread and you get to choose which you want from that on-going list. We could maybe have some sort of story leads, famous quotes, idioms alongside image topics. We could run with a hard no-extensions rule also if the topics have been made easier and line limit lowered considerably. It may be worth trialing at least to see how it performs. One week can’t hurt. __________________ - Netcees Rebuttal Tourney - Art of Writing League (x 4) - AOWL Season 11 Champion (Undefeated Season)

02-01-2021, 07:09 AM	#5
fraze Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 913 Battle Record: 14-24 Rep Power: 32898722	Yeah open topics is exactly what it sounds like. Write whatever you want and let the best verse win. No extensions is rough if we're not on a regular weekly schedule. People have work and other lives and need to be able to schedule time to write. And some people need access to weekend time to write. Taking away exts isn't going to help have less no shows. Also most important opinion on the subject is @Adverse. It's his league. __________________

02-01-2021, 03:21 PM	#6
sral Shrewd as evearthed Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 8,251 Battle Record: 28-3 Champed - Gimmick Battle League - The Winter Topical - Topical Martyrs - Lime Green Poetry Association - Lyric Olympics - Art of Writing League - Guerrilla Writing League (2x) - Black August II Rep Power: 85899391	lmao I definitely don’t like the idea of write what you want and best verse wins __________________ - Netcees Rebuttal Tourney - Art of Writing League (x 4) - AOWL Season 11 Champion (Undefeated Season)

02-01-2021, 05:54 PM	#8
Adverse low tide in serotonin bay Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,738 Battle Record: 37-28 Champed - GWL Picture Challenge - Guerrilla Writing League - Black August II Rep Power: 15446142	As far as I know Blue didn’t say the topic was too hard, he no showed because it’s a fucking topical league tbh. To me challenging pics is the whole point of a league, to spin a story from your own interpretation of the picture is what makes a topical league to me. Problem is voters not the no showers. The fact that it’s a topical league and you’re only going to get like 10% of the sites population to notice it is the biggest problem. Honestly about to just say fuck it

02-01-2021, 06:31 PM	#9
Witty Lime Life Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 16,794 Battle Record: 30-41 Accomplishments - Only Slightly Retarded Champed - Lyric Olympics - Summer Classic Rep Power: 82986458	Topic thread. 4 pics, 4 titles, 4 quotes...every week. Let people choose whichever they want. It makes it feel more natural and gives the writer some more freedom, but also keeps restrictions in place that a topical league has to have. __________________ He listens to voices inside of his mind Explicit and poisonous violent crime.

02-01-2021, 06:50 PM	#10
Eviction Detained Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,838 Battle Record: 16-11 Rep Power: 0	I signed out because it's acceptable for your opponent to drop 30 more lines than you 24 hours after seeing your verse, I know it's not against the rules but ethics is a thing, I wouldn't have had much of a problem if he didn't see my drop first and knew how much I dropped.

02-01-2021, 11:57 PM	#15
Eviction Detained Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,838 Battle Record: 16-11 Rep Power: 0	I also swear I did not see contender match in the thread title when I done my verse and wasn't even aware it was a contender, I like to think if I knew it was a contender I would of went harder, is it just me or did they change the thread title mid-way through?