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Old 08-09-2018, 11:29 AM   #41
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When did God begin?

Both answers are leaps of faith and cannot be supported by facts if you dig deep enough
Now this is where the real fun begins. I'd prefer to link sources to far more qualified people than I to offer all the different theoretical answers to this question.

My core personal understanding is that the human need for the concept of "zero/nothing" is at direct odds with an answer.

Time simply began and will end.
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Old 08-09-2018, 11:29 AM   #42
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Old 08-09-2018, 11:32 AM   #43
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folded back into itself into what?

what does the "itself" now exist in?
Into itself. It exists within itself.

Light reading for both heat death and singularity here, from the man himself:

http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html
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Old 08-09-2018, 11:37 AM   #44
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Damn, a lot to read.

Going to add to book threads, once done. Is there an audio version? LOL
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Now this is where the real fun begins. I'd prefer to link sources to far more qualified people than I to offer all the different theoretical answers to this question.

My core personal understanding is that the human need for the concept of "zero/nothing" is at direct odds with an answer.

Time simply began and will end.
We’ll never know til we’re gone

Maybe not even then
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We’ll never know til we’re gone

Maybe not even then
All about perspective. It's a demon-haunted world, after all.
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:13 PM   #47
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Into itself. It exists within itself.

Light reading for both heat death and singularity here, from the man himself:

http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html
Within itself within what?
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:53 PM   #49
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Within itself within what?
You should read the linked article.

Fair?
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It’s the same as what it exists within now, bro
It’s all there is whether at a single point or extrapolated out into what it currently is
It’s not like there’s the universe and then just a bunch of empty space outside of it
It’s what is. All of it
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You should read the linked article.

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Fair. I did tho. After he said something about events before the Big Bang have no observational consequence I find it nonsensical. Is that fair?
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Fair. I did tho. After he said something about events before the Big Bang have no observational consequence I find it nonsensical. Is that fair?
It's fair for you to have that opinion. Everyone's entitled to their own.

I'd encourage deeper reading to understand what Prof. Hawking means as observation is a key component of quantum physics.
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Bro. I understand. Understanding that does not negate the validity of my question. What did the Big Bang bang out of?
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Space-time continuum is curved

Have you really not read hawking or Einstein?
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Bro. I understand. Understanding that does not negate the validity of my question. What did the Big Bang bang out of?
And now we get into the question of...What is Nothing?
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Bro. I understand. Understanding that does not negate the validity of my question. What did the Big Bang bang out of?
It was like... way dense
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1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
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I'm not religious at all, I just wanted to see how Genesis worded it.
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