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Old 10-13-2018, 06:23 PM   #1
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playing devils advocate here but isn’t trying to expose his motive as ego motivated by ego ?
I’d say yes

But it’s a broader topic because there are a lot of answers that are deeper than yes or no.

If there is an argument, inherently there will be a side that’s more right than the other (most things in life aren’t driven by facts so most arguments are never fully right), so can someone be right most of the time without it being ego? By most standards that is.

Is staying away from conflicts and therefore never being seen as wrong make you less egotistical, or more so because you avoid your ego being possibly attacked?
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For the quoted source material: I asked amen if he would like to elaborate how his behavior was ego in the other thread. In him doing so, it would also be a form of ego.

Hush was corrrct on identifying the test I set for him.

We can discuss this if you like.


In regards to your question, yes humility and greatness are not mutually exclusive. In fact they can be excellent dancing partners.
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It's as simple as what drives your motives

Ego is about self

Soul is about love

So if u were trying to prove someone wrong because u wanted the glorification of being right that's an ego driven endeavor

If u were trying to prove someone wrong because u love them and u want them to grow it can be viewed as selfless and separate from the ego

Same for other avenues.....u can be great at basketball because u love the game....or u can be great because u want everyone else to see how great u are.......one is more pure and satisfies the soul....the other less so in satisfying the ego
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For the quoted source material: I asked amen if he would like to elaborate how his behavior was ego in the other thread. In him doing so, it would also be a form of ego.

Hush was corrrct on identifying the test I set for him.

We can discuss this if you like.


In regards to your question, yes humility and greatness are not mutually exclusive. In fact they can be excellent dancing partners.
But what makes something (a response or action) motivated by ego vs being humble? What could make you exposing his ego not egotistical?

Basically how can you be confident and humble but also self aware you’re being such. Doesn’t being aware you’re being humble make you egotistical?
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It's as simple as what drives your motives

Ego is about self

Soul is about love

So if u were trying to prove someone wrong because u wanted the glorification of being right that's an ego driven endeavor

If u were trying to prove someone wrong because u love them and u want them to grow it can be viewed as selfless and separate from the ego

Same for other avenues.....u can be great at basketball because u love the game....or u can be great because u want everyone else to see how great u are.......one is more pure and satisfies the soul....the other less so in satisfying the ego
How much weight does a third parties opinion of your motives matter if it differs from your actual motive?
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How much does it matter to who


It matters entirely to the ego
Zero to the soul
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How much does it matter to who


It matters entirely to the ego
Zero to the soul
Say Veritas legitimately wants to help Amen, so the soul

But the general consensus and how Amen and third parties view the situation is an ego thing.

Does it make the effort less virtuous? Should V in that situation recognize he should abort a lost cause or would that make him less “good”
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Of course.....Craig biggo is a hall of famer....bitch was the farthest thing from egotistical.
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Why is he considering it a lost cause?

Why is he considering the group perspective?

Why would it be less virtuous?

Ego.ego.ego.
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Kind of like knucks ego so big he couldnt help but steal a quote from my thread and make one for himself...what a fag
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Y’all are not understanding me.


I said that asking him to explain why he was being ego would only end up making more ego. I.e. him apologizing while justifying. Etc.

The best course would have been for him to not Elab. Which to his credit, he did not.
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I legit want to help amen. As I do myself and all
Of you as best I can.
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Kind of like knucks ego so big he couldnt help but steal a quote from my thread and make one for himself...what a fag
Do you not believe your lack of respect here is from an undeserved ego?
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Y’all are not understanding me.


I said that asking him to explain why he was being ego would only end up making more ego. I.e. him apologizing while justifying. Etc.

The best course would have been for him to not Elab. Which to his credit, he did not.
I meant hypothetically to see Bags views on ego, just was easy to think of

@Ghost1 I meant less how the person in question perceived the result of those things and more does it matter what they think if it isn’t agreed that those are the motives. If someone is considered by their peers to be egotistical but they don’t think they are because of their motives, are they egotistical?

I kind of covered where my minds going with this in that thread awhile ago where it fot stuck on me hating myself.

Basically does someone have to be unaware of their good intentions in such a situation to be humble, because knowing they’re being humble would make them not humble
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Do you not believe your lack of respect here is from an undeserved ego?
What about the horrible job you did as a mod? Did that have anything to do with your pretend ego, being "too busy" to follow through with something you offered to do... I get it though you've started to be with the in crowd instead of being called a fat ginger in every post... I can only hope for your unique race that it's helping your ego irl...
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What about the horrible job you did as a mod? Did that have anything to do with your pretend ego, being "too busy" to follow through with something you offered to do... I get it though you've started to be with the in crowd instead of being called a fat ginger in every post... I can only hope for your unique race that it's helping your ego irl...
So you think flaking on commitments is an ego problem?

This is why I pose the question of how you can win an argument or be seen as positive in a situation where there is a level of engagement from you without there being ego involved. And if there isn’t ego, is noticing the lack of ego something that can bring ego into it?

I mention ego out of relevance to current conversations but it’s really any trait or action seen as selfish in any sense.
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@Knucklehead if you know about it and you assume it's a bad thing because of the intention then you yourself fall under being slightly closer to ego over soul.

So probably die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain makes sense as far who the truly selfless people are
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