nicest pen in rap?

[Answer]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

this is just a dumb fucking conversation
you can make arguments for GOAT sports players. because you have stats. it’s pretty easy to quantify who the GOAT is.
this is music which is entirely subjective. there’s no “stats” to look at short
of album sales and if that’s the criteria, then eminem wins.
there is no criteria though as to who’s art is better than another aside from one’s own subjective opinion. so, there can be no right or wrong answer and therefore back to my original “this conversation is fucking dumb” assertion.

Disagree. We’re not talking about music, we’re talking about lyricism. As universe stated, it’s purely about the writing and not about song-making. Album sales are irrelevant

What are the aspects of writing?

Multisyllabic writing - number of syllables being used, it is more difficult to create rhymes with longer multis. Of course, it is. Because there are more sentences/words in the English language that end with with the rhyme, “dope” than there are sentences/phrases that end with the rhyme “sky is falling”

And because there are less sentences to choose from, it’s more difficult. There was an author who wrote an entire book without the letter “e” (the most common letter in the English language). This was obviously very difficult to do because it greatly limits the number of words you can use and sentences you can make.

If you don’t believe me, just try to write a 200 word short story or topical without using the letter “e”. Only by actually trying this can you empathize with my point. It’s not that I don’t think you CAN do it, you’re simply vastly underestimating the difficulty of it, which is easy to do for people who don’t challenge themselves. It’s easy for me to think I can run 15 km but it’s another thing to actually go out and do it.

When you loosen your restrictions, as eminem does when he breaks from using 4 syllables to use 3 syllables or 5 syllables, you’re increasing the number of words and phrases you can use. That’s like writing a book with no “e’s” and saying “eh maybe I’ll have SOME words that have the letter e”

And he does this even more-so when he allows himself to use words that don’t even rhyme altogether like him rhyming “fair” with “beds”

Punchlines/double entendres - it’s one thing to write a punchline, but it’s another thing to reverse-engineer a punchline from a rhyme. Not only are you coming up with a punchline, but you’re also constrained by the limitation of not being able to write words with the letter “e”

Do you disagree that writing 45 punchlines with that constraint is more difficult than writing 5 with that constraint? I don’t see how you believe that to be the case.

I’m really disappointed in you, des. You’re one of the few who I thought was smarter than this.

[Fracture]

So youre saying that your 500 word couplets are on a diff level than eminems best?

[Answer]

Originally Posted by Fracture

So youre saying that your 500 word couplets are on a diff level than eminems best?

Considering we’re talking about a 50-line verse where everything rhymes, I don’t think you even know what the word “couplet” means, frac.

[Fracture]

Are you going to sit here and lie to my face that.your bars arent the length of forever and ever

[Fracture]

Let me speak to Culture

[UserName]

Originally Posted by Fracture

Let me speak to Culture

Too soon.

[Fracture]

Originally Posted by UserName

Too soon.

I love that no matter what i say in any thread ur customize dick quote is the final stamp

[kungfugrip]

Originally Posted by Fracture

Let me speak to Culture

What do you know about culture? Have you ever even met a black person before?

[Fracture]

Oh heres kungfugrip the worldly racists who doesnt even grasp the irony of why he would prefer black frac over white frac

[Answer]

Originally Posted by Fracture

Are you going to sit here and lie to my face that.your bars arent the length of forever and ever

Eminem's longest bars in rap god:

So I wanna make sure somewhere in this chicken scratch I scribble and doodle enough rhymes
To maybe try to help get some people through tough times, but I gotta keep a few punchlines


My longest bars in that piece:

been fightin over capital since they set up an embassy @ the center of tel aviv
countin checks from the sheep got ‘em dead asleep, execs invested in feta cheese



So even if bar length had anything to do with lyricism, Eminem's longest bars are longer than my own. Meanwhile I had 2 internal rhymes and he had 1

[Fracture]

So youre not going to acknowledge that rap god was entirely dependant on a beat build? You cant cherry pick certain bars from rap god without taking the entire song into consideration.

[Fracture]

And even if you disagree with what i just said its proof that its subjective. Basically what destroyer is trying to say